On tonight’s episode we’ll be asking you…

What have you lost, damaged and ruined from the Jeep?

Do you wheel often with the same group/club?

On tonight’s episode we’ll be asking you…

If you could go to any event this year what would it be?

What was your favorite event last year?

Who would you like to wheel with given an opportunity?

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On tonight’s episode we’ll be talking about EJS 2024!

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– Hi, hello, howdy. – Hello, hello. – Hello, hello.

 

Not at my lab anymore. – Well, Roger is, Roger’s still there.

 

– Oh yeah, Roger. – Nobody has nobody to talk to him but himself though.

 

(laughing) – Jess is there with him. She’ll talk to him.

 

– She’s missing us right now. (laughing) – All right, so we’re gonna be talking about EJS, EJS 2024.

 

We had a total of 23 people out there this year and we just had a really good time. Zabow, Mark, the ex-Navy carrier pilot, had a house and had a nice area outside where we could all get together. And what was that, was that on Thursday night, Friday night? What did that happen, Thursday night? – Thursday. – So on Thursday night, it was a nice big open area. It was cool enough where you could sit outside and not sweat like a pig like you do here in Texas. And he also had a campfire, a little place where we could sit around the campfire. And I don’t know about you guys, but I thought that was the best campfire I’ve been to in a long, long time.

 

– Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

 

– All right, well let’s start with, some of you guys went to, got to Moab early. Steve, I know that you actually went to Arizona first. You and a crew, who all was with you? Rick was with you, was it Dan and Jason?

 

– Dan, who’s actually on here now, and then Carrie with her husband, Dwayne and son Garrett.

 

So it was four weeks out here. – And when did you guys get to Arizona? Was it Monday on Arizona or later the week?

 

– We’re there Tuesday night, and our first day of wheeling was Wednesday.

 

– So I’ll just mention this, I’ll just get ahead of this. Steve said he was going to Moab this year and he showed up.

 

– That’s right. – And everybody got the sticker.

 

– Yeah, Bill did up some very nice stickers, and one of them was a Steve-O specific sticker.

 

– He did show up and he was all worried about me being there.

 

– I was worried about you being there, driving your TJ from after you had done a lot of work to it, driving it from Little Rock all the way into, or Conway, all the way to Arizona with Steve and then onto Moab, and you broke it too.

 

Tell us how you broke your TJ, and I was thinking it was the front axle that you had broken, because that makes more sense, but it wasn’t, it was the rear axle.

 

– Yeah, it was the rear axle. Actually on the way to Arizona, I kept smelling gas really strong, and it turned out I was dripping gas pretty steady out of my fuel pump. Steve-O was like three days, I kept complaining about the gas smell,

 

and the O’Rally’s guys,

 

and just before I leave on the trip, Apple decides to upgrade their security protocol, so my app, my OBD2 reader app wouldn’t work, so I had to go to O’Rally’s to get to figure out what was going on, and they said right off the bat, replace the fuel pump, and I argued with it, so I did this whole thing to replace the fuel line, because that’s where I thought it was leaking, and it turned out it was cracked, and had to replace the fuel pump anyway, but thank God I put that access panel in the back, and that was a lifesaver, because that had been terrible trying to do out there. – Tell the folks about the access panel, because I didn’t know about it until recently. – Yeah, it’s, I mean, I bought mine from Genrite,

 

and also there are several other companies also sell them, but like on the TJYJ, I’m not sure what all models they would help out, but this is basically a square access panel in the very back, you cut a whole wing, put this access panel there, and I think it’s eight screws, and then you have access to the whole top of the gas tank, and the pump, all the lines there. – So basically you can take that panel out of the way, and boom, there’s the fuel pump, so you don’t have to drop the tank to make changes, or to reconnect hoses, or to see what’s leaking.

 

– Right, and sure enough, it was leaking pretty good. – Oh yeah. – And then when we got to, still, we was on Steelbender, was it the third day, second day? It was Tuesday, wasn’t it, in Moab. Yeah, the second day in Moab, Steelbender, and I still broke her instead of still bending,

 

and basically slid back into a trough. – Did you say tree? – With the wheels spinning. – A tree.

 

– Trough.

 

(laughing) Now it wasn’t a tree, but it’s just a trough, and I told myself before I did it, whatever you do, don’t allow, don’t slide back into that with the wheels spinning, and sure enough, that’s what I did, and it cracked, it actually didn’t, it cracked there, but it didn’t break until about maybe 200 yards up the trail, going up and up, past, or driver’s side up, incline, and there was, I don’t remember, I wasn’t all the way in the back, but there were several people all the way up on the hill already, and when it cut loose, it cracked, everybody heard it. I was like, because I got on the radio, I said, “Did y’all hear that?” And they sent everybody, said, “Yeah, we all heard it.” – That’s a shame. – And then, yeah, and then it was a matter of,

 

getting under there, pulling the rear drive line,

 

you basically drove it out in front-wheel drive, except where I had help from Roger, who pulled me up over all the major obstacles that I couldn’t get over, and then, on the last obstacle,

 

Jess broke her U-joint, but I think she had a little help breaking it, but anyway. – Roger does what he can.

 

So, did you say what trail this was that you broke it on?

 

Still bender. – Yeah, it was still bender.

 

Yeah, yeah, I turned it into still breaking. – Well, you bent it, then broke it.

 

– Yeah, that’s true.

 

But just a plug for BFG Garage, found out while I was there that they set up a tent. They’ve got about six stalls, I think they set up there, and if you bring them the parts, and if it’s not, and I don’t know what they consider a major deal, because there’s three different mechanics working on that thing off and on for at least four or five hours, but they say if you bring them the part, they will fix it, and there’s no charge. – That’s amazing. – And, you know, yeah, it’s super amazing. – I need to bring a set of, ring an opinion, and a couple of lockers next year. (laughs) Get a gear change, and a ARB locker installed. – Well, and if I could add on that from Rick’s standpoint, Steve from Aurora, Illinois, when the text first came out that Rick broke an axle, Dan and I were in town just to see if he could break an axle, Dan and I were in town just walking, checking out the shops, and we’d gotten off the trail. So we actually walked down to the BFG garage to see if they had any insight where to get an axle, and they were more than helpful, not only that, but they’ll call this guy, this guy deals and all this stuff, right? And so we were helping from down in town, then at the same time, I’m getting a call from Roger, he’s got a broken U-joint on the same trail, or no, was it U-joint? – Yeah, he just sounded like he was on the same trail because he was running 50 watts. (laughing) – At one point, Dan’s in O’Reilly’s looking for the U-joints, I’m at CarQuest looking for the axle, and we’re talking about the radio with each other because Dan’s asking me, well, does Rick have disc brakes and what was it, any lock brakes? I’m like, I have no fricking idea, so I’m calling Carrie, because Carrie’s cell phone’s the only one working up there, she’s talking to Rick, so it was like a four-way conversation trying to get these parts. – Yeah, and that’s a good thing to mention actually is that if you’ve never been to Moab,

 

your phone call, certainly your internet access is very spotty, it really is very dependent on where you’re located, and it may come and go in an instant while you’re driving. Your phone will automatically blow up and you’ll start getting all these text messages and stuff coming in. So keep that in mind, and actually, Bill, you had an inReach with you, I believe, and that’s one of the reasons why you have an inReach, some of the rest of you may have too, but I know Bill carries one, and it’s not a bad thing to have alternative communications available.

 

– Yeah, and I would say just the support there, because I mean, Bob had a breakdown too, and the same thing, everybody kind of kicked in, like Chuck and I, we got him off the trail, Chuck and I drove down to town to go get my trailer, and while we were doing that, I think Bob was able to call Riley’s to find a radiator, and then I think Dutch and Tuche drove to O’Reilly’s to go get the radiator, and by the time we had Bob back at the rental house, there was the parts were there, and it was, they started swapping it right away, so everybody was able to kind of get their vehicles repaired and back on the trails pretty much same day, so. – The CS Bob’s still here, I never know when he’s at work or not, and when he just joins in momentarily.

 

– He’s on. – Oh, there he is, there he is. – There he is, picture’s here. – So, Bob, tell everybody what happened, because usually whenever there’s a radiator blows up, it either splits or something gets pushed into it, and it can be motor mounts, transmission mount, or any of that stuff, this wasn’t the case for yours, was it?

 

– No, the bolt on the bottom of the radiator came,

 

was a little bit loose,

 

and I went up an obstacle and slid back down it, or rolled back down it, and when I hit the bottom of the B, it was pretty solid, and everything was free spinning, but the Jeep come to a very abrupt stop,

 

and when it did, the radiator actually swung back the bottom of the radiator into the fan and caught one of the blades, so. – And this wasn’t a mind contact either, I think you told me that you actually bent one of the blades. – Oh yes, it twisted one of the blades into the radiator.

 

So, yeah, but like Bill said,

 

we hooked up, winched me up over the obstacle, hooked on a rope, and pulled me off the trail. For some of the obstacles, it was easier just to unhook and drive up them, and then we got off the trail and parked, Bill and Chuck went and got the trailer, and the wagon here, and picked me up, and Dutch and QJ met me at the condo with the parts, and we had it all changed out. – Yeah, we were lucky that it was a radiator, and you could just replace it very easily, and I don’t know about nowadays, but generally speaking, those things are around 100 bucks for a TJ.

 

They’re probably 300 now, but thank you for the inflation. – And Rick from Arkansas, one other thing I’ll interject in this,

 

he was able to get his parts at O’Reilly’s. I know when they were looking for the axle,

 

they were talking $850 for the axle, and they wasn’t sure when it was gonna come in.

 

The guy at the Ford dealership told me that he had some chrome Mollie axles, but I wasn’t sure what those were gonna cost. (laughing) So one other source, and I don’t even remember who told me, they said, “Hey, why don’t you check on Facebook Marketplace “just in case?” And sure enough, got on Facebook Marketplace, and there was a real good guy, he was a fellow jeeper, just happened to post his takeoffs that day, and I was able to get him for 250 bucks, and that’s what I’m– – And you got two? You got two of them? – That’s what I’m– – Or one? – Yeah, well, I got both left, the driver and passenger.

 

I didn’t need the passenger.

 

Go ahead.

 

– Well, was it Roger?

 

Well, I think that’s a great deal, especially for Dana 44 axles, I’ve never bought one, but I’ve heard they’re a little more expensive than say a Dana 30 or a Chrysler 8.25 or a Dana 35.

 

– All right, and my preference is not to have the chrome-moly axles, I would prefer to have my fuse outside versus inside.

 

No telling what it would be to try to find, if something got broke inside that carrier,

 

there’s no telling what that would have been telling, I probably would have been dead in water. – That was one of the things that caused the BF Goodrich guys more time, wasn’t it? They were cleaning out all the metal debris?

 

– Right, well, they were trying to get that little piece that was trapped in the carrier, the end of the shaft that was broke off, and it took them quite a while to get that out.

 

– So I’m gonna lose you guys here in a minute, just so you know, because I’m almost back to camp, but I’m pretty sure you already mentioned it, but I was lost a couple of minutes, if you mentioned how great the guys at the BFG Garage were.

 

– Oh my God, there’s a move. (laughing)

 

– Perfect, Roger. – Thank you, Captain Roberts.

 

(laughing)

 

– Roger. – I can’t wait to lose service, that’s all I can say. – Roger, if you only knew how perfect that timing was, what we just talked about. – I gotta tell you this, Travis is so happy, Roger is a regular here on the Zoom meeting, because we used to attack Travis for everything. (laughing) – I’m going to let you guys go back to beat up Travis a minute, because that’ll be almost back to camp. – I won’t be here to kick around much longer. – I kind of want to beat you up after all this though, Roger, because I’m like seriously, just give it a minute and then go ahead. – You’re breaking up, Travis, what do you say? – I’m sorry, you’re breaking up.

 

– Yeah, so it’s all good, we like giving everybody a hard time here, so don’t take offense at it, don’t feel bad for Roger, he likes it, he wouldn’t feel loved if we didn’t give him a hard time.

 

– I’m not here to screw this shit, I’m just kidding. – So, how many, every time we made a creek crossing, how many times did I hear, hey Rick, you’ll be careful, watch out, there’s a creek cross here, da da da.

 

It’s four inches deep, better be careful. – So Rick sunk his TJ, what was it, a couple of months ago in a lake?

 

Or was it the Pacific, I can’t remember which one it was.

 

– It was, well actually it was in July and it was a little, a small river. – But it was, he really sank that TJ and he drove it home and he’s been doing a lot of work to it and gosh, Rick, how much time between you last working on it and driving it to Arizona than to Moab, how long was that, a month or were you working on it to the last moment?

 

– I was working on it Sunday night, lift Monday morning. – Perfect.

 

– Hey Rick, we released a couple of deeps in your, couple of ducks in your honor in a creek crossing today, just so you know. – I appreciate that, I appreciate that. – They immediately sunk. – Not a problem. – I think Steve-O was more worried about– (indistinct) – Yeah, okay.

 

– Bob’s just lucky that Rick did that so we didn’t hear about him driving backwards through the creek and chicken corners all.

 

– Oh no, we heard about it. We heard about it. And a sign, I don’t know what that was about, but apparently there’s some reason to talk about signing. – So don’t forget to turn that to music. (laughing) – So Matt, you were at EJS with us last year, how badly was it not going to EJS this year, especially hearing about all the stuff that was going on?

 

– It was rough seeing short sleeves, but also missing it. (laughing) – It wasn’t hot and cold, it really wasn’t cold. Sometimes the morning it was kind of cold, but during the day it was perfect, 60 degrees. – Ah.

 

I woke up with ice on my 10 o’clock morning.

 

I woke up with ice on my 10 one morning. – Yeah, morning to our cat, Rusty.

 

– Yeah. – Well, coming out of the hotel, I think I wore a jacket the first day when we went on the Tread lightly thing. Did everybody go on the Tread lightly thing or was it, because I know that that was one of the events that a lot of us wheeled together. I think, I know that Rick and Steve over there, I think Roger, weren’t you there if you’re still here, weren’t you at the Tread lightly event? (indistinct) – They had a really good turnout. And I’ll mention that Matt from Tread lightly told us, told me something I didn’t know before. They get $31 an hour for everybody that shows up. So it’s like $31 matching funds from the government. So it helps them immensely to build those fences and do things that they need to do to help protect the trails. So I was really happy about that. Really, really happy to hear about it. So it’s even more than just the work that you’re doing. It’s the getting some, well, I think it was about like 50 cent matching or something like that. I was real happy to hear that. – Well, I think it was good too that everybody showed up with their own tools. So that four hour project turned into like a quick, two hour project. Like we just went in there and just knocked it out because everybody had their own tools. – Well, last year they had a bunch of impact tools, but the batteries were real small and they cracked out really quickly.

 

– Right, and everybody brought their own tools, their own batteries. And so we just got out there and I think we had like double the turnout because a lot of people didn’t sign up because they ran out of slots. So we just, all these extra people showed up and put their own tools and we just knocked it out. So it was good. It was a good trail ride. – Oh my God, those columns. Right next to where we were working. And when I say we were working, I mean you guys, cause I was just talking to people. – Yeah, that’s about the same. – Tony wasn’t working.

 

(laughing) I don’t think I’d find you. Cause I’m gonna get you to your networking. – I was taking photos and stuff. Oh, this is funny. So I don’t know if everybody had heard this one or not. So Nick from Murdacon, he’s the guy that Greg Henderson, I’m gonna show you, he’s only built that 700 horsepower JLU with the 392. And it said 700 drivers power. You probably understand what it is, but it has the magnetism performance supercharger on it. But that was the one that was in Greg’s booth at SEMA that I think several of you guys saw. Anyway, Nick was out there. I finally got to meet Nick and I gave Nick a Jeep talkshow sticker and he immediately went to the back of the Murdacon and was putting a sticker on and he doesn’t have a lot of stickers on there. Now I was videoing that, put it up on Instagram and TikTok and people were bitching because some of the back of the sticker came off and the wind just took it away so they were complaining about us trashing up the trail. – I don’t know, we’ve no trail. – Exactly. – Of all things. – So I just said, yeah, we tracked it down and beat it severely and threw it away. So, but it was funny.

 

– He was also at the BFG tent in a spot next to mine for quite a while. – Was he getting the washer fluid thing repaired?

 

– I think something about some brackets or something on the front that he had to have removed or something, Greg knew one of the mechanics there personally and of course, and called him and said, yeah, I’ll take these brackets off his Jeep. So I mean, they did a major operation to get those brackets off because it was part of his front suspension. – Hmm.

 

– Well, there’s Chuck.

 

And thanks to people bitching at Chuck, he fixed his a gas leak coming out of the neck of his CJ5.

 

– Not yet. (laughing) Not yet. Sorry about that, Mike got a little hot there. – That’s what she said. – Nope.

 

– Yeah.

 

– But Chuck came out, he was a unexpected guest out there and he showed up and had his CJ5. Chuck and I went with Greg and then gone Jeeping on a trail. Chuck, do you remember what trail that was? I wasn’t paying attention. I was kind of concerned about the uranium.

 

– I don’t think it’s a trail. I think it’s just something that Chris Collard knew about. Chris is of course a National Geographic guy and done a lot of videos and photographers for them. So he’s a plethora of knowledge when it comes to the strata of all of Utah. So it was kind of neat to go do a historic deal. Not really a trail, just a gravel road, but the history on the back end of it was really bitching. – Seeing something that somebody carved into rock in 1836 was cool.

 

– Yep. – I wanna mention this real quick. I’ve told a few people on the way out because we got to the destination that we had to turn around and go out the way we came in. I was third in line, so it was Chris Collard. What was he driving, Chuck? Was it a CJ5 or?

 

– No, that’s the 1978 CJ7, one of the original Mark Smith

 

Expedition de las Americanas. That Jeep actually went from the tip of Southern America all the way to Prudhoe Bay through the Darien Gap. That Jeep has been, that’s a very important Jeep. – Okay, so Chris was in the CJ7, Chuck was in a CJ5, and both of them had half doors, and they were both doing exactly the same movements, hanging out, looking at the trail, doing little S curves and type stuff. It was like watching a choreographed dance routine because they were just doing all this stuff, but it was really fun just sitting there in the gladiator just going straight,

 

just going up and over things, watching them work those little rigs. It was really cool.

 

– Yeah, you got a nice suspension on those newer rigs. Chris and I, we have to go around the gravel. Yeah, we have to go around all the gravel rocks. I mean, God dang, that stuff’s pretty bumpy. – And you damaged one of your tires too. I don’t know if it was on that trail or not, but I noticed it when we got out of there and got to a rally point that you had a little flap, tire flap, and I was really surprised because that thing is so narrow.

 

You had a lot more room on the trail than what the full-size Jeeps had. – Well, if you remember earlier in the trail, there was another guy that blew his tire. Remember that? – That was the Ram’s truck too. So he was a lot wider. – Yeah, and so he blew a sidewall and Chris and I were goofing off going, oh, he’s probably somewhere where he shouldn’t be. So then at the end of the trail, I was like, oh shit, Chris, I probably was where I shouldn’t be because I’ve got the giant flap. So we did a really quick trail fix that worked great. It was pretty awesome. – I actually mentioned Glutread on today’s episode. We record this on Tuesday. So on today’s flagship episode, I’ve actually mentioned the Glutread patch kit. And I wish I had had one because you were actually looking for somebody that had some rubber cement or something to glue that little flap down. Because it wasn’t leaking air. It was just going. You could see that the outside part of the sidewall had been stripped away. – Yeah, we took about two thirds of the sidewall off and used rubber cement and some, what is that, Gorilla tape and some more rubber cement and just kind of made a patch, like a cast on your arm and got out. It didn’t last very far on the interstate, but it got us off the trail and then it was fine. – Yeah, it got you back to your rig to take it back with you. You did more trails after that though, didn’t you?

 

– Oh, 100%. Bill and I did Poison Spider the next morning. They had like Mach 500. – Yeah, that was a lot of fun, like seeing that little Jeep out there on that trail, like the two of us. And it was cool, man. Like he was just Billy goading that thing up, like all the obstacles. I don’t think we took any of the bypasses. – No, there’s no such thing as a bypass. – It was a ton of fun. – I remember one time, Bill, I didn’t know where I was going. And for whatever reason I was in front, Bill had been there for multiple years and like Bill’s a buddy of mine. I trust him, I’ll just go wherever you go. And then I ended up in front for some reason. I don’t remember why, Bill, but I ended up going up this deal and you followed us or followed me. And then I just kind of got up and you got all the way up and you looked at me, he was like, dude, I’ve been up here three years in a row and I’ve never done that part. Like this is bitchin’. And I was like, dude, our Jeeps are way better than we are. Like we’re the missing link in a Jeep. Like the driver is the one that doesn’t know what a Jeep can do. This is bitchin’, man. – We just kept Billy Gautner away around it is just a blast, a blast.

 

– Yeah, that was a good time. – Well, in your little Jeep truck, your little Jeep truck, if it doesn’t make it up to the obstacle, you just pick it up and toss it up, right?

 

– Well, was that Roger? I’m having a hard time hearing. – Never. – You’re buffering. – I said, you’re a little Jeep, if it doesn’t make it up, you just pick it up and give it a toss. And then it’s up there, right? – Yeah, amen. (laughing)

 

– Yeah, that’s cool.

 

– Yeah, awesome. – So speaking of your rig, Bill, you were actually in your new 2024 JL, not JLU. You left the 392 JLU at home and you were working a much smaller or shorter Jeep this year. And I think you found that you had a lot of fun with that two door over the four door.

 

– Oh yeah, I’m sold on wheel on the two door over the four door, just cause it’s just so nimble. And yeah, it was, I mean, I have the stock suspension, I have like, you know, inch and a half spacers on there, you know, 35 inch tires, but that’s pretty much it. But the thing I noticed is just, when you’re going through those obstacles, you can kind of quickly change your line. And then the other thing I noticed is the back tire, because it’s closer, it more closely tracks to the front tire on there. So, you know, on the four door, it’s like you get the front tires where you want, but then the rear tires don’t really track where you want them to, cause you know, it’s just, it’s bigger. And so, you know, I found that it was just, you know, I felt like I can pretty much do anything out there. Like I said, we went on poison spider and there was several obstacles that, you know, I hadn’t done before, things that were just totally new that, you know, I had just, it gave me the confidence to go do that. And especially having Chuck out there with me, you know, certainly, you know, seeing him out there, I was like, okay, well, if he can do it, I can do it. So that was pretty cool. And I also appreciate just some of the, you know, advice and, you know, some, some learnings that I was getting from, from wheeling with Chuck. So I really appreciate that. So it was really, really good time. – So you learned something from Chuck? That doesn’t sound right. – Christ. All right, the party’s over. Everyone go home.

 

– Hey, Chuck, did you get your bench?

 

– No, I didn’t get my bench. I’m very happy that you brought that out, Rick. – No, he didn’t get his bench because he didn’t tell me that he was coming. – I texted you on both of my phones. I texted you. – No, you didn’t because we were at dinner and you checked your phones and proved to yourself that you didn’t let me know. – I was like, brother Greg, we’re, we’ll be there, brother Greg. – Yeah, I don’t work through osmosis.

 

– I thought it. I tell my wife all the time, I thought it. Didn’t you hear me? – No. (laughing) – You know, we had a, we had another group in our, our person in our party that left a 392 at home. – That was it. – And that was Carrie.

 

I didn’t realize Carrie had a 392 back at home.

 

– Not only a 392, but a 392 anniversary edition.

 

Too fancy to wheel. – I guess so. – Hello?

 

(indistinct)

 

– That’s like anything post 1978. Like you can’t, you can’t wheel that stuff, man. That’s too nice. – Post 2006.

 

(laughing) – Oh, shut up, Greg. – So Bill, I’m glad that you mentioned about the, the inch and a half puck lift, because you were out there doing some, some pretty good trails without any kind of suspension lift other than just raising, putting a little puck lift on there to raise it up using the stock spring. So it’s, it’s like what Greg has told us. You don’t have to have anything fancy. You don’t have to have fancy Jeep. Just take a Jeep out there and learn how to wheel. – Yeah, no, it was, it was great. Yep. – What you remember, Bill, like you and I parked right side by side. And I think you’re like a half a tire width longer than I am. And my little CJ five compared to yours. I mean, you’re right here a little bit, but I mean, they’re, they were like pretty, the length of them on the wheel base is pretty damn close.

 

Like we were able to just, I think that’s why we had such a good time. You have a brand new Jeep, I have a 50 year old Jeep, but they’re not too far off. And we had a blast. – Yeah, I think Bill’s carburetor never had a problem. – Fuck off, man.

 

(laughing) He just chipped, dude. Like, I fucking come on, I’ve had a bad day. – He came to the wrong place. – He did need some fresh wire that exhaust though.

 

– It’s ginormous gun safe in front of them. It’s got me distracted, so I keep slamming them. What’s on your head? Where’s your cowboy hat?

 

– Oh, hold on. Wait, I’ll be right back. Wait, wait, wait, wait. – And it’s not even a flat brim. – You’re right. I didn’t realize it was an extra curved one. That must be a Merrily hat that he’s borrowing.

 

– Oh, you better not put a flat brim anything on his head. – Oh. – There, I put a little baby, little hat count condom on my head here. – It’s unofficial use only. – You didn’t take this sticker off. What are you in Southern California? – I feel like I’ve got a yarmulke with a fricking bill on it.

 

– You have the world’s smallest face, I swear to God.

 

– Hey, Chuck, if Greg keeps picking on you, just mention the word duck, you’ll leave you alone. – Fuck you, Bob. You know, Bob, the reason that your radiator puked out is because of the 50 fucking ducks I found on my Jeep. – Greg, I texted you that video. – Get in your ass. – Greg, I texted you that video about dad’s monkey. – Oh, good lord. – You didn’t respond.

 

Dad’s hitting a monkey in the dash of that Jeep. I just found it. And it’s like, I don’t get ducked for a reason because I’ve got a fucking monkey. – Is it kind of like a truck monkey? – It’s like a truck monkey, but it’s a CJ dash monkey. Like I was just sitting there screwing around on Sunday and there’s a fucking rubber monkey in dad’s dash for some strange reason. – Yeah, you texted that to me and I was still driving across the country. So I didn’t read any of the text messages because that would be unsafe while driving. – Well, I called you also and you were like, get fucked. – I did not.

 

– You missed a good campfire, Greg.

 

– What night was the campfire? – Thursday night, yeah. – I was over there at Zabo’s house and I sent you a message, but I figured you were busy with a number of things.

 

– Did you send it to me normal or did you send it in that God awful group chat that I had to turn off on day two? Cause it went the bing, the bing, the bing, the bing, the bing, the bing, 28 times a minute. – I thought I sent it to you directly, but maybe not. – Oh, well, I apologize for not paying attention, and I appreciate the group message a million times. I appreciate it, but oh my God, that thing just never shut up. – I couldn’t figure out, Greg, I could not figure out how to delete it. Like I deleted it three or four times and then five minutes later, someone would be texting. I’m like, Jesus tits, boys. – Well, because every time we added someone, it created a new group. And actually someone, I’m not gonna say who, put a wrong number in there. – That’s Tony. – That poor bastard. – That was somebody in Chicago with a hit. – That’s okay, it means everybody gets the wrong number, Steve, when they forward it sometimes. I don’t hold you accountable. It’s an accident. – I have screenshots, I sent you the right number. – That was funny. – So we added that as Kerry, and I thought it was funny that they finally got enough messages from the group and they said, fuck you, cunt.

 

(laughing) – Whoa, watch the language, this is a famous show. – Well, to be honest with you, Chuck, we all thought that was you at first. – Yeah, I did, I thought it was you. (laughing)

 

– We all did. – I’d fucking never say bad words in a family show. You fucking fuck. – So that’s why I realized that it may have been the wrong number that I added.

 

– Yeah, no, I found a way to, what was it called? Oh, I turned off the notifications, so I didn’t have to delete the chat, but I was able to turn off the notifications. And it took me like a half an hour to figure out how. Because as I was trying, it kept going, (laughing) – This is why I called you and asked you if you want to be added to the chat, because I knew it was going to be busy. And you said, yeah, sure, I can mute it if I need to.

 

– So Greg, if you remember, on fricking Wednesday, I was with you, I never got the phone call, do you want to be added? I did not. I was with you, I still deleted it. I was getting fricking emails or texts or whatever the fuck they’re called on Sunday. I’m like, good night. I’ve been deleting this shit all fricking week. – It’s still, the group is still active. And all you had to do is let me know you need to be removed. And I would have removed you from it.

 

– I didn’t want to be rude.

 

(laughing) – So I was fortunate, one of the last nights there got to have a nice dinner with Bill and Chuck.

 

Or well, not really dinner after dinner. – Yeah.

 

– And what night was it? Saturday night, Roger and his wonderful wife came out to dinner. – Yeah. – Because they’re spending the whole next week. – Yeah, he’s on tonight. I don’t know if he’s still connected or not because he was getting back to camp.

 

And Greg, I didn’t get the flag to you. So I’ll just have to send you one.

 

– Oh, okay.

 

– Yeah, it was a great time. – We had a lot of people there all week. Rich was there all week this year. He was only with us like three days last year. And I don’t know if you, you probably didn’t catch it, Greg. We had 23 people at the, that were Jeep talk show related at the event this year, which is huge.

 

– That’s awesome.

 

– Hey, what was that trail or was it a trail that Gone Jeeping went on? Me, you, Chuck, and the rest of the Gone Jeeping folks. – Yeah.

 

So that was

 

mineral bottom. – Was it an actual trail or was it just a place? – Yes, so it’s a road and a trail. So the first portion is a road. The second portion is a trail.

 

All the way at the end of it is where that

 

Charlie, whatever his last name was, signed the rock in 1836.

 

Which proves that graffiti does turn into history. – Yes, it does. – That’s where you were like finding like a bunch of like trees that no one gave a fuck about, but you were down there like tripping down the fucking cliff. Like, oh, that was at the mine. So that was, that was petrified wood. – You threw up that big petrified wood piece and you said, that’s $400. And as Nick was catching it, you said, that’s mine.

 

(laughing) – I’m like, dude, what the, nobody fucking threw it. – I thought it was cool. I thought it was really neat. I was interested in that stuff. I wasn’t gonna climb down there. – So we found,

 

– Wait a second, wait a second. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

 

So we, – Thank you. I love you, Greg. – We, – We’ll come back to that, Chuck. – I just came home, got home last night at about 10 o’clock and I carried six, five gallon buckets full of rocks back across the country for my wife. – That’s a whole back joke. – Like any, each buckets, each buckets probably a hundred, 150 pounds.

 

And it’s all petrified wood and agate and dinosaur bone. – So you have a, you have a 5,000 pound Jeep towing a trailer with a 7,000 pound freaking Jeep on the trailer with how many pounds of rocks? – A bullshit and, but you won’t text while you drive. Well, that’s great. I’m fucking glad DOT loves you. – Well, I couldn’t text while I drive because I watch movies while I drive.

 

– So my phone’s occupied. – Pornography is a thing. – Don’t let Chuck tell you he doesn’t care about dinosaur bones and shit. We drove past him and like a fucking four year old, he literally throws his hands down to the side, stomps his foot and goes, but I wanted to see dinosaur. – No, I didn’t say that. – Bill will fucking, Bill will stay.

 

– Why didn’t you ask? I would have brought you to a couple of the spots with all the dinosaur bones in the oil. – No, no, no. – It was so fucking bad, Greg. Like we’re driving like Mach negative three because fucking Bob’s got a fucking square headlight piece of shit or whatever the fuck he’s got. And I was like, dude, either we’re gonna fucking get there or we’re not. So we moved along. And then while my jeep’s overheating, because I don’t know, I fucking have a man fucking motor in it, we get where we’re going. And I was like, I thought we was gonna fucking see some goddamn dinosaur bones on this dinosaur bone trail. But I guess I might’ve stopped my foot a little bit. – So I will say that, and I hate to say this out loud, but Bob’s driving a TJ with a straight six, which makes more horsepower than your 304 ever could. – Damn it. – Greg, shut the fuck up. Did you hear the motor? – My motor sounds better though. – Your motor sounds better, but his makes more power and more torque. – I hate you all day long. – And I got a huge ass. – Like twice on Sunday.

 

I fucking hate you. You and I are friends, not anymore. Like I’m deleting you. I’m taking your yarmulke off my head.

 

– Good, Chuck. I’ll make it better.

 

Pick one. Are you ready? – Oh no, he’s standing up. – Uh-oh. – I know you like your wiener or your head or what the hell you got. – No, this is an offer only for Chuck. I’ve got one complete set and Chuck gets to pick one. – I just want my fucking bench. – Shut the fuck up, I’ve got the bench.

 

(laughing) All right. – Oh, buckles, here we go. – Yeah, fuck yeah. – So that is the complete set of all the Easter Jeep Safari Belt Buckles. This one has a CJ5. This one has a Willys. This one has a TJ because they’re the best.

 

This one is a CJ7.

 

This one looks like a Suzuki Samurai, so that’s gay.

 

That one’s a JK, so it’s really gay. Also JK.

 

A Hummer, because that’s really stupid.

 

This is a JK and a Willys, and this is a YJ.

 

Which one do you want? – He wants the Hummer.

 

– Well, he wants a Hummer, but he’s gotta ask his old man. – Yeah, they are. – How do you get stuck by mine?

 

(laughing) – So, wait a minute. So I get one of the complete set? – Yes, this is one complete set. You can have one of them. – Those are awesome.

 

– So I’ll run up to you and I’ll grab one in person. I wanna see him in person, and I don’t know that I wanna break it up. Because you can’t break up something like that. Do you have multiples or what?

 

– No, I don’t have multiples anymore. I used to have multiples of a couple, but this was the complete set. And if you really look at the detail in this. – My goodness.

 

– Even the focus. – Let’s, well, I’m just gonna take a trip up there. – So this is your dad’s Jeep, right? That’s the CJ.

 

That’s what your dad’s got. – I think that’s fun. – And they say, so this one’s from the 26th annual Easter Jeep Safari. – That’s from– – Forever Utah.

 

– Yeah, let’s figure it out, Greg. I don’t know that I wanna break it up though. Maybe it’ll be mine. Maybe you can just put my cattle brand underneath it. We’ll just burn it in your wall saying that you keep it. – And the best, if you look on the back,

 

this is number 11.

 

So that’s where it gets really good because if I flip some of these other ones over,

 

this one’s number 11.

 

– So how about this, Greg? Let me just bring, I’ll run up there because I’ve got to lose some weight before I go up there, right? Because it’s probably fat. (laughing) So I’ll lose my weight. – And this is a cowboy belt buckle, right? So this fits your belt. – Yeah, well, that’s a thin belt for very thin people, which I guess I’m not, I’m gonna go up there and I’ll just brand your wall and try to get it to fit in this one. – Well, I’m gonna do it. – Yeah, I’ll do it. – And I’m gonna go up there brand your wall underneath the one that I want. How about that?

 

Well, I know how to get more. Most people don’t know how to get more. I can get it replaced. So it’s not a big deal. You want it. Yeah. I do want it, but I want all of them. Greedy. Well, if you want all of them, you can buy all of them. I’ll sell you the whole set. I know what I paid for it. All right. Let’s figure it out. Off air. He’ll trade you a bench for it. All right.

 

No, the benches already mine because that’s it. That’s an inside bet between Greg and I that I don’t know. The bench was only going to be yours. If you told me you were coming to Moab and you didn’t tell me that you showed up, were you drunk on Thursday? Did you free or Friday? Did you forget?

 

Oh, no, no, no. That doesn’t mean that that isn’t solid yet. I might, I might have your space. And if I have your space, you get no bench. You pay me money. It’s still a bet. That’s an inside.

 

Well, Bill knows about it. So it’s not really that inside. Yeah. Yeah. I might up it to a thousand just to see it.

 

Your wife was like, get fucked. You know, that was awesome. She’s like, no, fuck you, dude. Yeah. If she wouldn’t have been there, I would have kept, I would have held up my price. But as soon as I realized my wife was standing there, I realized my foot was so deep down my throat. Oh yeah. You looked at her and you were just giggling and she was like, you don’t have that. I was like, fuck, I do. Come on.

 

Yeah. To make inside baseball. All right. Let’s move on. So just for your own edification, I already made the first day on that.

 

To Warren. Yeah. I already made, I already made one phone call. Yeah. So I’ve, I’ve, I’ve made phone calls too. And I’m getting just a shit ton of information. I was like, Jesus Christ. You too. I had no idea that they had, how integrated those two were, but they were just shitty ass seventies and eighties parents. And you’re like, well, you too, it’s pretty bitches. So if you guys are lost, don’t feel bad. I am too. So it’s, it’s not,

 

I apologize. Sorry. Most of us, I think.

 

That’s okay. So the skinny of it is, is I’m going to try and get the black piece of shit put on display somewhere.

 

Because it’s such a cool old Jeep and it’s, it’s got a lot of history and a lot of character.

 

Don’t know if it’ll happen or not yet, but I’m going to try. It’s not like that in Chuck’s like, it’s leaking gas left and right. So it probably needs to be set up someplace.

 

Yeah. I was just going to say, carry a spill kit with you because the gas kept me all over. So I, the first thing I did on Sunday, like I got back Saturday night and woke up on Sunday and I heard Bill’s voice. Like, Hey, you’re, you’re leaking gas. Like, uh, I’m trying to like have husband and wife time. Like I don’t need to hear your voice in the back of my head, Bill.

 

So I, I went on this thing called the interwebs. I don’t know if you guys know about this thing. It’s like this cloudy type stuff where you can like, yeah, you can communicate through the entire like universe and the strata and they, uh, they make parts because Greg said, Chuck, they make that stuff.

 

That’s like, okay. So they, I just bought it. It was not that hard to find his like new old stock or like rebuilt shit. Did I make say to have it? No, uh, it was, um, you know, you know, the year of our Jeep, Greg, it’s a kind of the no man’s land CJ’s that, uh, it was just there. It was very easy to find. And I bought it. And it was like 24 bucks and it’s showing up on Thursday and we’re just going to put new ones on. And I ended up calling the Jeepster man to get the operator. So, um, I’m going to get a new carburetor through him because that, uh, that 2100, there’s a lot of different variations. I want to make sure I get the right one, but it’s very easy to find parts for this Jeep. And I was kind of blown away. Well, it’s a, it’s got a three or four. So you should put it a nice intake and a big four barrel on it. Actually. It’s not my Jeep, Dick. It’s my dad’s Jeep. Like I don’t, obviously even with shitty carburetor, it’ll run. So you just run it. I’m not fucking with it. Yeah.

 

Bill, Bill’s still here. I’m hoping. Yeah. We’ll tell you leaky gas or not the thing fucking runs. Oh yeah. For sure. You can definitely air out the fenders. It runs, but it was, uh, having a hard time in front of the XJ. Oh fuck.

 

You and your goddamn grocery getting son of a bitch. He’s like, Oh, I have a stock XJ and fucking blah, blah, blah. I’m going to get fucking groceries on one tons, whatever.

 

It’s not one times yet.

 

That was a fun trail. That was, yeah. I couldn’t believe I, huh? I’m so afraid. I kind of wish we finished it because the rest of it was actually pretty decent. Yeah. What do you want trail? Uh, porcupine. Yeah. Okay.

 

I was so afraid to be on that on the left side. Like when I went up that place where I got hung up, cause I was like, dude, this thing might have bad breaks. You know, I don’t want to fucking roll off this cliff and I was scared. Like, I’m not going to lie. Like, dude, there’s no fucking way. I’m going to roll, you know, two and a half inches off this fucking like ledge. I’m going to take the harder side. And that’s where I got hung up a couple of times, you know, and then that’s where, uh, Bob like blues radiator and all that kind of crap was like, there’s no fucking way I’m going on that cliff side. Like, nah.

 

Yeah. Afterwards Rick and I ended up buzzing down there and finishing the rest of it or at least up to the viewpoint. And right as we got down to that, that why where we had to turn around to exit, there was a family in a side by side that pulled up and he’s like, he’s like, man, there was one spot back there that I was just, I was puckering. And I knew exactly what spot he was talking about. We were there. We thought we were all going to die.

 

I like how you found the motivation to finally get up that, uh, that ledge eventually. Cause at one point Chuck’s like, build back up your Jeep, man. I’m gonna have to winch off of it. And then all of a sudden it’s like, something clip. He’s like, Oh hell no, I’m not doing that. The second that the words came out of my mouth, I was like, you fucking idiot. I’m going to have another recovery sticker from my collection of all this. This son of a, this son of a bitch is going to have this all over the you porn. Like I can’t fucking do this.

 

That’s funny.

 

Yeah. Like I watched you walk away and that like a light went on in my back, in the back of my brain, like idiot, like he is going to fuck with you for the rest of your life. Like you can’t do this. Like I can throw the turbos on boys and we’re going to get through it.

 

How do you turbo speed through that one barrel carburetor? It’s two barrel dick.

 

Just like my head fits in your Yarmulke here. Like I’m getting a headache. Your fucking hats are so small. You know, there’s an adjustment thing on the back. You can adjust that technical. Wait a minute. Hold on now.

 

And dang internet.

 

He’s not used to a bill wrapped around his head instead of being quiet. No, my God. There’s another voice. See adjustable buckle, adjustable buckle. I’ll give you an adjustable buckle later.

 

Got that curve bill on there. So when he’s looking in the mailbox for his government check, he can find it. Never got one of those. Where’s Larry when we need him? Even when I was in the arm.

 

I’m wondering if John Lee didn’t join us tonight because he didn’t want to hear us talk about off camera. John Lee, are you here? Because we haven’t talked about off camera at all.

 

He’s too sad. He messed up. I was sending him videos.

 

No, I was, uh, I was sorry for letting y’all have your fun. So, but we want to know if you received, I don’t want to, I don’t want to interrupt your, uh, interrupt your EJS party. But we want to know if you, we want to know if you received your postcard.

 

Yeah, but it was sideways. I mean, somebody even call it a slightly off something. I mean,

 

I just, I just knew the trash is the fuck those guys.

 

As a fucking man should good job.

 

And I’m pretty sure, and I’m pretty sure I have it on my dash cam. I need to find it, but I have a photo that I’ll be sharing or a video clip of you. You guys seeing Chuck with his camera up in front of him, taking a selfie while he is out there on the trail. I wasn’t taking a selfie. God damn it. I was actually taking like a panoramic. That’s what I’m gonna go with.

 

Well, I don’t have a top because most Jeeps don’t come with tops.

 

There’s a panoramic.

 

That’s right. With my Yarmulke. Thank you. That’s just to get his whole head in one picture. Oh, get fucked. Great. It said friend blasting from his Jeep the whole time. I’m just taking the picture. My what? So John in here, right? Said Fred blasting from his Jeep while he was doing the music jamming out there. I was, I was listening to it. Oh, he had a, he had a whole antique tape box.

 

Yeah.

 

All I, all I remember is tragedy had ate that tape. I was like, Oh my God. All I remember is tragedy had ate that tape. Bob, who was, who was Dutch Dutch was right behind me. And I was on something with you and Bill, and I come down and hit so hard. It’s a back.

 

And I was like, Christ, oh dear. And I took it out. I’m like fixing it with my like pinky and Dutch comes up with his girlfriend and they’re like, what happened? I was like, I skipped my, my tape deck. Well, I think that was on Klondike.

 

I think you’re like, not my Billy Ray Cyrus. Oh, that was my, my, I had a mix. My mom and I made back in the fricking nineties and it was Billy Ray Cyrus and some other people and I was really excited and it fricking ate the tape, man. I was like, damn it. This thing is fucking junk. I was surprised. It doesn’t use these. I thought I don’t have that much money.

 

Yeah. We don’t have that kind of original Cheech and Chong. Oh, that was good stuff back then. There you go. Aren’t you the one that’s supposed to bring me like the Beastie boys and an NWA and everybody?

 

The other thing that was just as what he was trying to call the other thing that was impressive was the fact that he had a case for the cassettes. Yes. Yeah. That was that right. A leather. What was it? Leather case for the cassettes. It’s pleather. I mean, come on. It’s 1970s. Not that nice, but everyone’s got to have a tape cassette holder. Like, come on now. Oh, no, that tape cassette holder was not from the seventies. That tape cassette player and holder were from the late eighties. Yeah. It is.

 

Yeah. Yeah. I do have, um, I have two live crew and, um, I want it. Was it I’ve got everything from the violent femmes to live crew. Easy. Um, I don’t know. I didn’t find any easy. What? No, I didn’t find any easy. That’s kind of bummed out. Feels off. You said if you were going to bring it, I would rock it on the next trail. Cause I will a hundred percent rock to live crew. Yes. One hundred percent. I’ve got the two live crew, the dirty nursery rhymes. Yes. Yeah. One hundred percent. Yep. And I’ve got, I’ve got ice tea and a couple others. Um, I don’t know, there’s like 15 or 20 tapes in there. So, so yeah, I’ll donate them to the cause. Yeah. There’s nothing better than a five foot 11 cowboy and a 50 year old Jeep rocking to life crew. Like that’s bitchin five foot 11. Yeah. What did you fucking cut your boots off? No, you were three inch lift boots. I’m sorry. Yeah, I have to. I got a small wiener bill. No, no.

 

I was pointed the wrong direction and bill walked up like, God damn it, Chuck. I’m like, I’m not rooming with you to next.

 

Bill’s like this fucking, you can just stay at the hostel with the gone Jeep and grew the worst part about it is he was looking at me through my windshield, talking to me as he was doing it.

 

I was watching Bill come down the trail and I’m like, Oh, this is going to be good.

 

He didn’t tell me or anything. He’s like, he didn’t get on the radio like, Hey, bill. Well, this is one of the reasons why you need to join the zoom meeting because you never know what’s going to be said, uh, what’s going to happen, uh, so on and so forth. So, uh, hope you enjoyed this. I’m hoping that it wasn’t too far out, uh, too much inside baseball for you guys not to be able to enjoy this, but it is what it is. We had a great time and there’s absolutely no reason why you can’t join us. Uh, I mean, we had a bunch of people there this year. I’m so grateful. It would make it, it makes it so much more fun when you have so many voices, so many opinions, and in, in, in some cases, just an audience laughing at the crazy things that are going on. Uh, it was such fun. And, uh, my wife got to go for the first time this year. So she had a great time. She still can’t believe that, uh, uh, that many people would want to be around me for that long, but it is what it is. So hopefully you guys can join us there, uh, next year, EJS 2025. Uh, and, uh, you know, we are going to have something you can come to sooner than that this June, June 8th, we’re going to be having a Jeep talk show, uh, off-road Texas event. Uh, we’ve, uh, I think this is going to be the fourth annual one. Uh, it’s going to be at hidden falls adventure, uh, adventure park. I think that’s right. Uh, in near marble, fall marble falls, Texas. And actually it’s going to, I believe that either, uh, I think Thursday, uh, so the June 8th is a Saturday. So that Thursday, I think people are actually going to be getting to the park and you may be able to be able to do a little wheeling. If you get there on Thursday with Bill and John Lee, uh, who are setting up all the trails, getting those things to set up for the ones that we’re going to be running and then Friday, uh, they are planning on either bill or John or both of them are planning on doing a little, um, uh, not necessarily trail ride, but going to some of the one or more small towns in the area. I’m not sure if they’re going to get to Lukenbach yet. Uh, that’s still being discussed, but I did hear rumor of going to a barbecue place, uh, so it might be a good opportunity to, I kind of have the, the, the Easter Jeep safari, uh, experience. I’ll call it EJS light, uh, but in Texas.

 

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– Hi, hello, howdy. – Hello, hello. – Hello, hello.

 

Not at my lab anymore. – Well, Roger is, Roger’s still there.

 

– Oh yeah, Roger. – Nobody has nobody to talk to him but himself though.

 

(laughing) – Jess is there with him. She’ll talk to him.

 

– She’s missing us right now. (laughing) – All right, so we’re gonna be talking about EJS, EJS 2024.

 

We had a total of 23 people out there this year and we just had a really good time. Zabow, Mark, the ex-Navy carrier pilot, had a house and had a nice area outside where we could all get together. And what was that, was that on Thursday night, Friday night? What did that happen, Thursday night? – Thursday. – So on Thursday night, it was a nice big open area. It was cool enough where you could sit outside and not sweat like a pig like you do here in Texas. And he also had a campfire, a little place where we could sit around the campfire. And I don’t know about you guys, but I thought that was the best campfire I’ve been to in a long, long time.

 

– Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

 

– All right, well let’s start with, some of you guys went to, got to Moab early. Steve, I know that you actually went to Arizona first. You and a crew, who all was with you? Rick was with you, was it Dan and Jason?

 

– Dan, who’s actually on here now, and then Carrie with her husband, Dwayne and son Garrett.

 

So it was four weeks out here. – And when did you guys get to Arizona? Was it Monday on Arizona or later the week?

 

– We’re there Tuesday night, and our first day of wheeling was Wednesday.

 

– So I’ll just mention this, I’ll just get ahead of this. Steve said he was going to Moab this year and he showed up.

 

– That’s right. – And everybody got the sticker.

 

– Yeah, Bill did up some very nice stickers, and one of them was a Steve-O specific sticker.

 

– He did show up and he was all worried about me being there.

 

– I was worried about you being there, driving your TJ from after you had done a lot of work to it, driving it from Little Rock all the way into, or Conway, all the way to Arizona with Steve and then onto Moab, and you broke it too.

 

Tell us how you broke your TJ, and I was thinking it was the front axle that you had broken, because that makes more sense, but it wasn’t, it was the rear axle.

 

– Yeah, it was the rear axle. Actually on the way to Arizona, I kept smelling gas really strong, and it turned out I was dripping gas pretty steady out of my fuel pump. Steve-O was like three days, I kept complaining about the gas smell,

 

and the O’Rally’s guys,

 

and just before I leave on the trip, Apple decides to upgrade their security protocol, so my app, my OBD2 reader app wouldn’t work, so I had to go to O’Rally’s to get to figure out what was going on, and they said right off the bat, replace the fuel pump, and I argued with it, so I did this whole thing to replace the fuel line, because that’s where I thought it was leaking, and it turned out it was cracked, and had to replace the fuel pump anyway, but thank God I put that access panel in the back, and that was a lifesaver, because that had been terrible trying to do out there. – Tell the folks about the access panel, because I didn’t know about it until recently. – Yeah, it’s, I mean, I bought mine from Genrite,

 

and also there are several other companies also sell them, but like on the TJYJ, I’m not sure what all models they would help out, but this is basically a square access panel in the very back, you cut a whole wing, put this access panel there, and I think it’s eight screws, and then you have access to the whole top of the gas tank, and the pump, all the lines there. – So basically you can take that panel out of the way, and boom, there’s the fuel pump, so you don’t have to drop the tank to make changes, or to reconnect hoses, or to see what’s leaking.

 

– Right, and sure enough, it was leaking pretty good. – Oh yeah. – And then when we got to, still, we was on Steelbender, was it the third day, second day? It was Tuesday, wasn’t it, in Moab. Yeah, the second day in Moab, Steelbender, and I still broke her instead of still bending,

 

and basically slid back into a trough. – Did you say tree? – With the wheels spinning. – A tree.

 

– Trough.

 

(laughing) Now it wasn’t a tree, but it’s just a trough, and I told myself before I did it, whatever you do, don’t allow, don’t slide back into that with the wheels spinning, and sure enough, that’s what I did, and it cracked, it actually didn’t, it cracked there, but it didn’t break until about maybe 200 yards up the trail, going up and up, past, or driver’s side up, incline, and there was, I don’t remember, I wasn’t all the way in the back, but there were several people all the way up on the hill already, and when it cut loose, it cracked, everybody heard it. I was like, because I got on the radio, I said, “Did y’all hear that?” And they sent everybody, said, “Yeah, we all heard it.” – That’s a shame. – And then, yeah, and then it was a matter of,

 

getting under there, pulling the rear drive line,

 

you basically drove it out in front-wheel drive, except where I had help from Roger, who pulled me up over all the major obstacles that I couldn’t get over, and then, on the last obstacle,

 

Jess broke her U-joint, but I think she had a little help breaking it, but anyway. – Roger does what he can.

 

So, did you say what trail this was that you broke it on?

 

Still bender. – Yeah, it was still bender.

 

Yeah, yeah, I turned it into still breaking. – Well, you bent it, then broke it.

 

– Yeah, that’s true.

 

But just a plug for BFG Garage, found out while I was there that they set up a tent. They’ve got about six stalls, I think they set up there, and if you bring them the parts, and if it’s not, and I don’t know what they consider a major deal, because there’s three different mechanics working on that thing off and on for at least four or five hours, but they say if you bring them the part, they will fix it, and there’s no charge. – That’s amazing. – And, you know, yeah, it’s super amazing. – I need to bring a set of, ring an opinion, and a couple of lockers next year. (laughs) Get a gear change, and a ARB locker installed. – Well, and if I could add on that from Rick’s standpoint, Steve from Aurora, Illinois, when the text first came out that Rick broke an axle, Dan and I were in town just to see if he could break an axle, Dan and I were in town just walking, checking out the shops, and we’d gotten off the trail. So we actually walked down to the BFG garage to see if they had any insight where to get an axle, and they were more than helpful, not only that, but they’ll call this guy, this guy deals and all this stuff, right? And so we were helping from down in town, then at the same time, I’m getting a call from Roger, he’s got a broken U-joint on the same trail, or no, was it U-joint? – Yeah, he just sounded like he was on the same trail because he was running 50 watts. (laughing) – At one point, Dan’s in O’Reilly’s looking for the U-joints, I’m at CarQuest looking for the axle, and we’re talking about the radio with each other because Dan’s asking me, well, does Rick have disc brakes and what was it, any lock brakes? I’m like, I have no fricking idea, so I’m calling Carrie, because Carrie’s cell phone’s the only one working up there, she’s talking to Rick, so it was like a four-way conversation trying to get these parts. – Yeah, and that’s a good thing to mention actually is that if you’ve never been to Moab,

 

your phone call, certainly your internet access is very spotty, it really is very dependent on where you’re located, and it may come and go in an instant while you’re driving. Your phone will automatically blow up and you’ll start getting all these text messages and stuff coming in. So keep that in mind, and actually, Bill, you had an inReach with you, I believe, and that’s one of the reasons why you have an inReach, some of the rest of you may have too, but I know Bill carries one, and it’s not a bad thing to have alternative communications available.

 

– Yeah, and I would say just the support there, because I mean, Bob had a breakdown too, and the same thing, everybody kind of kicked in, like Chuck and I, we got him off the trail, Chuck and I drove down to town to go get my trailer, and while we were doing that, I think Bob was able to call Riley’s to find a radiator, and then I think Dutch and Tuche drove to O’Reilly’s to go get the radiator, and by the time we had Bob back at the rental house, there was the parts were there, and it was, they started swapping it right away, so everybody was able to kind of get their vehicles repaired and back on the trails pretty much same day, so. – The CS Bob’s still here, I never know when he’s at work or not, and when he just joins in momentarily.

 

– He’s on. – Oh, there he is, there he is. – There he is, picture’s here. – So, Bob, tell everybody what happened, because usually whenever there’s a radiator blows up, it either splits or something gets pushed into it, and it can be motor mounts, transmission mount, or any of that stuff, this wasn’t the case for yours, was it?

 

– No, the bolt on the bottom of the radiator came,

 

was a little bit loose,

 

and I went up an obstacle and slid back down it, or rolled back down it, and when I hit the bottom of the B, it was pretty solid, and everything was free spinning, but the Jeep come to a very abrupt stop,

 

and when it did, the radiator actually swung back the bottom of the radiator into the fan and caught one of the blades, so. – And this wasn’t a mind contact either, I think you told me that you actually bent one of the blades. – Oh yes, it twisted one of the blades into the radiator.

 

So, yeah, but like Bill said,

 

we hooked up, winched me up over the obstacle, hooked on a rope, and pulled me off the trail. For some of the obstacles, it was easier just to unhook and drive up them, and then we got off the trail and parked, Bill and Chuck went and got the trailer, and the wagon here, and picked me up, and Dutch and QJ met me at the condo with the parts, and we had it all changed out. – Yeah, we were lucky that it was a radiator, and you could just replace it very easily, and I don’t know about nowadays, but generally speaking, those things are around 100 bucks for a TJ.

 

They’re probably 300 now, but thank you for the inflation. – And Rick from Arkansas, one other thing I’ll interject in this,

 

he was able to get his parts at O’Reilly’s. I know when they were looking for the axle,

 

they were talking $850 for the axle, and they wasn’t sure when it was gonna come in.

 

The guy at the Ford dealership told me that he had some chrome Mollie axles, but I wasn’t sure what those were gonna cost. (laughing) So one other source, and I don’t even remember who told me, they said, “Hey, why don’t you check on Facebook Marketplace “just in case?” And sure enough, got on Facebook Marketplace, and there was a real good guy, he was a fellow jeeper, just happened to post his takeoffs that day, and I was able to get him for 250 bucks, and that’s what I’m– – And you got two? You got two of them? – That’s what I’m– – Or one? – Yeah, well, I got both left, the driver and passenger.

 

I didn’t need the passenger.

 

Go ahead.

 

– Well, was it Roger?

 

Well, I think that’s a great deal, especially for Dana 44 axles, I’ve never bought one, but I’ve heard they’re a little more expensive than say a Dana 30 or a Chrysler 8.25 or a Dana 35.

 

– All right, and my preference is not to have the chrome-moly axles, I would prefer to have my fuse outside versus inside.

 

No telling what it would be to try to find, if something got broke inside that carrier,

 

there’s no telling what that would have been telling, I probably would have been dead in water. – That was one of the things that caused the BF Goodrich guys more time, wasn’t it? They were cleaning out all the metal debris?

 

– Right, well, they were trying to get that little piece that was trapped in the carrier, the end of the shaft that was broke off, and it took them quite a while to get that out.

 

– So I’m gonna lose you guys here in a minute, just so you know, because I’m almost back to camp, but I’m pretty sure you already mentioned it, but I was lost a couple of minutes, if you mentioned how great the guys at the BFG Garage were.

 

– Oh my God, there’s a move. (laughing)

 

– Perfect, Roger. – Thank you, Captain Roberts.

 

(laughing)

 

– Roger. – I can’t wait to lose service, that’s all I can say. – Roger, if you only knew how perfect that timing was, what we just talked about. – I gotta tell you this, Travis is so happy, Roger is a regular here on the Zoom meeting, because we used to attack Travis for everything. (laughing) – I’m going to let you guys go back to beat up Travis a minute, because that’ll be almost back to camp. – I won’t be here to kick around much longer. – I kind of want to beat you up after all this though, Roger, because I’m like seriously, just give it a minute and then go ahead. – You’re breaking up, Travis, what do you say? – I’m sorry, you’re breaking up.

 

– Yeah, so it’s all good, we like giving everybody a hard time here, so don’t take offense at it, don’t feel bad for Roger, he likes it, he wouldn’t feel loved if we didn’t give him a hard time.

 

– I’m not here to screw this shit, I’m just kidding. – So, how many, every time we made a creek crossing, how many times did I hear, hey Rick, you’ll be careful, watch out, there’s a creek cross here, da da da.

 

It’s four inches deep, better be careful. – So Rick sunk his TJ, what was it, a couple of months ago in a lake?

 

Or was it the Pacific, I can’t remember which one it was.

 

– It was, well actually it was in July and it was a little, a small river. – But it was, he really sank that TJ and he drove it home and he’s been doing a lot of work to it and gosh, Rick, how much time between you last working on it and driving it to Arizona than to Moab, how long was that, a month or were you working on it to the last moment?

 

– I was working on it Sunday night, lift Monday morning. – Perfect.

 

– Hey Rick, we released a couple of deeps in your, couple of ducks in your honor in a creek crossing today, just so you know. – I appreciate that, I appreciate that. – They immediately sunk. – Not a problem. – I think Steve-O was more worried about– (indistinct) – Yeah, okay.

 

– Bob’s just lucky that Rick did that so we didn’t hear about him driving backwards through the creek and chicken corners all.

 

– Oh no, we heard about it. We heard about it. And a sign, I don’t know what that was about, but apparently there’s some reason to talk about signing. – So don’t forget to turn that to music. (laughing) – So Matt, you were at EJS with us last year, how badly was it not going to EJS this year, especially hearing about all the stuff that was going on?

 

– It was rough seeing short sleeves, but also missing it. (laughing) – It wasn’t hot and cold, it really wasn’t cold. Sometimes the morning it was kind of cold, but during the day it was perfect, 60 degrees. – Ah.

 

I woke up with ice on my 10 o’clock morning.

 

I woke up with ice on my 10 one morning. – Yeah, morning to our cat, Rusty.

 

– Yeah. – Well, coming out of the hotel, I think I wore a jacket the first day when we went on the Tread lightly thing. Did everybody go on the Tread lightly thing or was it, because I know that that was one of the events that a lot of us wheeled together. I think, I know that Rick and Steve over there, I think Roger, weren’t you there if you’re still here, weren’t you at the Tread lightly event? (indistinct) – They had a really good turnout. And I’ll mention that Matt from Tread lightly told us, told me something I didn’t know before. They get $31 an hour for everybody that shows up. So it’s like $31 matching funds from the government. So it helps them immensely to build those fences and do things that they need to do to help protect the trails. So I was really happy about that. Really, really happy to hear about it. So it’s even more than just the work that you’re doing. It’s the getting some, well, I think it was about like 50 cent matching or something like that. I was real happy to hear that. – Well, I think it was good too that everybody showed up with their own tools. So that four hour project turned into like a quick, two hour project. Like we just went in there and just knocked it out because everybody had their own tools. – Well, last year they had a bunch of impact tools, but the batteries were real small and they cracked out really quickly.

 

– Right, and everybody brought their own tools, their own batteries. And so we just got out there and I think we had like double the turnout because a lot of people didn’t sign up because they ran out of slots. So we just, all these extra people showed up and put their own tools and we just knocked it out. So it was good. It was a good trail ride. – Oh my God, those columns. Right next to where we were working. And when I say we were working, I mean you guys, cause I was just talking to people. – Yeah, that’s about the same. – Tony wasn’t working.

 

(laughing) I don’t think I’d find you. Cause I’m gonna get you to your networking. – I was taking photos and stuff. Oh, this is funny. So I don’t know if everybody had heard this one or not. So Nick from Murdacon, he’s the guy that Greg Henderson, I’m gonna show you, he’s only built that 700 horsepower JLU with the 392. And it said 700 drivers power. You probably understand what it is, but it has the magnetism performance supercharger on it. But that was the one that was in Greg’s booth at SEMA that I think several of you guys saw. Anyway, Nick was out there. I finally got to meet Nick and I gave Nick a Jeep talkshow sticker and he immediately went to the back of the Murdacon and was putting a sticker on and he doesn’t have a lot of stickers on there. Now I was videoing that, put it up on Instagram and TikTok and people were bitching because some of the back of the sticker came off and the wind just took it away so they were complaining about us trashing up the trail. – I don’t know, we’ve no trail. – Exactly. – Of all things. – So I just said, yeah, we tracked it down and beat it severely and threw it away. So, but it was funny.

 

– He was also at the BFG tent in a spot next to mine for quite a while. – Was he getting the washer fluid thing repaired?

 

– I think something about some brackets or something on the front that he had to have removed or something, Greg knew one of the mechanics there personally and of course, and called him and said, yeah, I’ll take these brackets off his Jeep. So I mean, they did a major operation to get those brackets off because it was part of his front suspension. – Hmm.

 

– Well, there’s Chuck.

 

And thanks to people bitching at Chuck, he fixed his a gas leak coming out of the neck of his CJ5.

 

– Not yet. (laughing) Not yet. Sorry about that, Mike got a little hot there. – That’s what she said. – Nope.

 

– Yeah.

 

– But Chuck came out, he was a unexpected guest out there and he showed up and had his CJ5. Chuck and I went with Greg and then gone Jeeping on a trail. Chuck, do you remember what trail that was? I wasn’t paying attention. I was kind of concerned about the uranium.

 

– I don’t think it’s a trail. I think it’s just something that Chris Collard knew about. Chris is of course a National Geographic guy and done a lot of videos and photographers for them. So he’s a plethora of knowledge when it comes to the strata of all of Utah. So it was kind of neat to go do a historic deal. Not really a trail, just a gravel road, but the history on the back end of it was really bitching. – Seeing something that somebody carved into rock in 1836 was cool.

 

– Yep. – I wanna mention this real quick. I’ve told a few people on the way out because we got to the destination that we had to turn around and go out the way we came in. I was third in line, so it was Chris Collard. What was he driving, Chuck? Was it a CJ5 or?

 

– No, that’s the 1978 CJ7, one of the original Mark Smith

 

Expedition de las Americanas. That Jeep actually went from the tip of Southern America all the way to Prudhoe Bay through the Darien Gap. That Jeep has been, that’s a very important Jeep. – Okay, so Chris was in the CJ7, Chuck was in a CJ5, and both of them had half doors, and they were both doing exactly the same movements, hanging out, looking at the trail, doing little S curves and type stuff. It was like watching a choreographed dance routine because they were just doing all this stuff, but it was really fun just sitting there in the gladiator just going straight,

 

just going up and over things, watching them work those little rigs. It was really cool.

 

– Yeah, you got a nice suspension on those newer rigs. Chris and I, we have to go around the gravel. Yeah, we have to go around all the gravel rocks. I mean, God dang, that stuff’s pretty bumpy. – And you damaged one of your tires too. I don’t know if it was on that trail or not, but I noticed it when we got out of there and got to a rally point that you had a little flap, tire flap, and I was really surprised because that thing is so narrow.

 

You had a lot more room on the trail than what the full-size Jeeps had. – Well, if you remember earlier in the trail, there was another guy that blew his tire. Remember that? – That was the Ram’s truck too. So he was a lot wider. – Yeah, and so he blew a sidewall and Chris and I were goofing off going, oh, he’s probably somewhere where he shouldn’t be. So then at the end of the trail, I was like, oh shit, Chris, I probably was where I shouldn’t be because I’ve got the giant flap. So we did a really quick trail fix that worked great. It was pretty awesome. – I actually mentioned Glutread on today’s episode. We record this on Tuesday. So on today’s flagship episode, I’ve actually mentioned the Glutread patch kit. And I wish I had had one because you were actually looking for somebody that had some rubber cement or something to glue that little flap down. Because it wasn’t leaking air. It was just going. You could see that the outside part of the sidewall had been stripped away. – Yeah, we took about two thirds of the sidewall off and used rubber cement and some, what is that, Gorilla tape and some more rubber cement and just kind of made a patch, like a cast on your arm and got out. It didn’t last very far on the interstate, but it got us off the trail and then it was fine. – Yeah, it got you back to your rig to take it back with you. You did more trails after that though, didn’t you?

 

– Oh, 100%. Bill and I did Poison Spider the next morning. They had like Mach 500. – Yeah, that was a lot of fun, like seeing that little Jeep out there on that trail, like the two of us. And it was cool, man. Like he was just Billy goading that thing up, like all the obstacles. I don’t think we took any of the bypasses. – No, there’s no such thing as a bypass. – It was a ton of fun. – I remember one time, Bill, I didn’t know where I was going. And for whatever reason I was in front, Bill had been there for multiple years and like Bill’s a buddy of mine. I trust him, I’ll just go wherever you go. And then I ended up in front for some reason. I don’t remember why, Bill, but I ended up going up this deal and you followed us or followed me. And then I just kind of got up and you got all the way up and you looked at me, he was like, dude, I’ve been up here three years in a row and I’ve never done that part. Like this is bitchin’. And I was like, dude, our Jeeps are way better than we are. Like we’re the missing link in a Jeep. Like the driver is the one that doesn’t know what a Jeep can do. This is bitchin’, man. – We just kept Billy Gautner away around it is just a blast, a blast.

 

– Yeah, that was a good time. – Well, in your little Jeep truck, your little Jeep truck, if it doesn’t make it up to the obstacle, you just pick it up and toss it up, right?

 

– Well, was that Roger? I’m having a hard time hearing. – Never. – You’re buffering. – I said, you’re a little Jeep, if it doesn’t make it up, you just pick it up and give it a toss. And then it’s up there, right? – Yeah, amen. (laughing)

 

– Yeah, that’s cool.

 

– Yeah, awesome. – So speaking of your rig, Bill, you were actually in your new 2024 JL, not JLU. You left the 392 JLU at home and you were working a much smaller or shorter Jeep this year. And I think you found that you had a lot of fun with that two door over the four door.

 

– Oh yeah, I’m sold on wheel on the two door over the four door, just cause it’s just so nimble. And yeah, it was, I mean, I have the stock suspension, I have like, you know, inch and a half spacers on there, you know, 35 inch tires, but that’s pretty much it. But the thing I noticed is just, when you’re going through those obstacles, you can kind of quickly change your line. And then the other thing I noticed is the back tire, because it’s closer, it more closely tracks to the front tire on there. So, you know, on the four door, it’s like you get the front tires where you want, but then the rear tires don’t really track where you want them to, cause you know, it’s just, it’s bigger. And so, you know, I found that it was just, you know, I felt like I can pretty much do anything out there. Like I said, we went on poison spider and there was several obstacles that, you know, I hadn’t done before, things that were just totally new that, you know, I had just, it gave me the confidence to go do that. And especially having Chuck out there with me, you know, certainly, you know, seeing him out there, I was like, okay, well, if he can do it, I can do it. So that was pretty cool. And I also appreciate just some of the, you know, advice and, you know, some, some learnings that I was getting from, from wheeling with Chuck. So I really appreciate that. So it was really, really good time. – So you learned something from Chuck? That doesn’t sound right. – Christ. All right, the party’s over. Everyone go home.

 

– Hey, Chuck, did you get your bench?

 

– No, I didn’t get my bench. I’m very happy that you brought that out, Rick. – No, he didn’t get his bench because he didn’t tell me that he was coming. – I texted you on both of my phones. I texted you. – No, you didn’t because we were at dinner and you checked your phones and proved to yourself that you didn’t let me know. – I was like, brother Greg, we’re, we’ll be there, brother Greg. – Yeah, I don’t work through osmosis.

 

– I thought it. I tell my wife all the time, I thought it. Didn’t you hear me? – No. (laughing) – You know, we had a, we had another group in our, our person in our party that left a 392 at home. – That was it. – And that was Carrie.

 

I didn’t realize Carrie had a 392 back at home.

 

– Not only a 392, but a 392 anniversary edition.

 

Too fancy to wheel. – I guess so. – Hello?

 

(indistinct)

 

– That’s like anything post 1978. Like you can’t, you can’t wheel that stuff, man. That’s too nice. – Post 2006.

 

(laughing) – Oh, shut up, Greg. – So Bill, I’m glad that you mentioned about the, the inch and a half puck lift, because you were out there doing some, some pretty good trails without any kind of suspension lift other than just raising, putting a little puck lift on there to raise it up using the stock spring. So it’s, it’s like what Greg has told us. You don’t have to have anything fancy. You don’t have to have fancy Jeep. Just take a Jeep out there and learn how to wheel. – Yeah, no, it was, it was great. Yep. – What you remember, Bill, like you and I parked right side by side. And I think you’re like a half a tire width longer than I am. And my little CJ five compared to yours. I mean, you’re right here a little bit, but I mean, they’re, they were like pretty, the length of them on the wheel base is pretty damn close.

 

Like we were able to just, I think that’s why we had such a good time. You have a brand new Jeep, I have a 50 year old Jeep, but they’re not too far off. And we had a blast. – Yeah, I think Bill’s carburetor never had a problem. – Fuck off, man.

 

(laughing) He just chipped, dude. Like, I fucking come on, I’ve had a bad day. – He came to the wrong place. – He did need some fresh wire that exhaust though.

 

– It’s ginormous gun safe in front of them. It’s got me distracted, so I keep slamming them. What’s on your head? Where’s your cowboy hat?

 

– Oh, hold on. Wait, I’ll be right back. Wait, wait, wait, wait. – And it’s not even a flat brim. – You’re right. I didn’t realize it was an extra curved one. That must be a Merrily hat that he’s borrowing.

 

– Oh, you better not put a flat brim anything on his head. – Oh. – There, I put a little baby, little hat count condom on my head here. – It’s unofficial use only. – You didn’t take this sticker off. What are you in Southern California? – I feel like I’ve got a yarmulke with a fricking bill on it.

 

– You have the world’s smallest face, I swear to God.

 

– Hey, Chuck, if Greg keeps picking on you, just mention the word duck, you’ll leave you alone. – Fuck you, Bob. You know, Bob, the reason that your radiator puked out is because of the 50 fucking ducks I found on my Jeep. – Greg, I texted you that video. – Get in your ass. – Greg, I texted you that video about dad’s monkey. – Oh, good lord. – You didn’t respond.

 

Dad’s hitting a monkey in the dash of that Jeep. I just found it. And it’s like, I don’t get ducked for a reason because I’ve got a fucking monkey. – Is it kind of like a truck monkey? – It’s like a truck monkey, but it’s a CJ dash monkey. Like I was just sitting there screwing around on Sunday and there’s a fucking rubber monkey in dad’s dash for some strange reason. – Yeah, you texted that to me and I was still driving across the country. So I didn’t read any of the text messages because that would be unsafe while driving. – Well, I called you also and you were like, get fucked. – I did not.

 

– You missed a good campfire, Greg.

 

– What night was the campfire? – Thursday night, yeah. – I was over there at Zabo’s house and I sent you a message, but I figured you were busy with a number of things.

 

– Did you send it to me normal or did you send it in that God awful group chat that I had to turn off on day two? Cause it went the bing, the bing, the bing, the bing, the bing, the bing, 28 times a minute. – I thought I sent it to you directly, but maybe not. – Oh, well, I apologize for not paying attention, and I appreciate the group message a million times. I appreciate it, but oh my God, that thing just never shut up. – I couldn’t figure out, Greg, I could not figure out how to delete it. Like I deleted it three or four times and then five minutes later, someone would be texting. I’m like, Jesus tits, boys. – Well, because every time we added someone, it created a new group. And actually someone, I’m not gonna say who, put a wrong number in there. – That’s Tony. – That poor bastard. – That was somebody in Chicago with a hit. – That’s okay, it means everybody gets the wrong number, Steve, when they forward it sometimes. I don’t hold you accountable. It’s an accident. – I have screenshots, I sent you the right number. – That was funny. – So we added that as Kerry, and I thought it was funny that they finally got enough messages from the group and they said, fuck you, cunt.

 

(laughing) – Whoa, watch the language, this is a famous show. – Well, to be honest with you, Chuck, we all thought that was you at first. – Yeah, I did, I thought it was you. (laughing)

 

– We all did. – I’d fucking never say bad words in a family show. You fucking fuck. – So that’s why I realized that it may have been the wrong number that I added.

 

– Yeah, no, I found a way to, what was it called? Oh, I turned off the notifications, so I didn’t have to delete the chat, but I was able to turn off the notifications. And it took me like a half an hour to figure out how. Because as I was trying, it kept going, (laughing) – This is why I called you and asked you if you want to be added to the chat, because I knew it was going to be busy. And you said, yeah, sure, I can mute it if I need to.

 

– So Greg, if you remember, on fricking Wednesday, I was with you, I never got the phone call, do you want to be added? I did not. I was with you, I still deleted it. I was getting fricking emails or texts or whatever the fuck they’re called on Sunday. I’m like, good night. I’ve been deleting this shit all fricking week. – It’s still, the group is still active. And all you had to do is let me know you need to be removed. And I would have removed you from it.

 

– I didn’t want to be rude.

 

(laughing) – So I was fortunate, one of the last nights there got to have a nice dinner with Bill and Chuck.

 

Or well, not really dinner after dinner. – Yeah.

 

– And what night was it? Saturday night, Roger and his wonderful wife came out to dinner. – Yeah. – Because they’re spending the whole next week. – Yeah, he’s on tonight. I don’t know if he’s still connected or not because he was getting back to camp.

 

And Greg, I didn’t get the flag to you. So I’ll just have to send you one.

 

– Oh, okay.

 

– Yeah, it was a great time. – We had a lot of people there all week. Rich was there all week this year. He was only with us like three days last year. And I don’t know if you, you probably didn’t catch it, Greg. We had 23 people at the, that were Jeep talk show related at the event this year, which is huge.

 

– That’s awesome.

 

– Hey, what was that trail or was it a trail that Gone Jeeping went on? Me, you, Chuck, and the rest of the Gone Jeeping folks. – Yeah.

 

So that was

 

mineral bottom. – Was it an actual trail or was it just a place? – Yes, so it’s a road and a trail. So the first portion is a road. The second portion is a trail.

 

All the way at the end of it is where that

 

Charlie, whatever his last name was, signed the rock in 1836.

 

Which proves that graffiti does turn into history. – Yes, it does. – That’s where you were like finding like a bunch of like trees that no one gave a fuck about, but you were down there like tripping down the fucking cliff. Like, oh, that was at the mine. So that was, that was petrified wood. – You threw up that big petrified wood piece and you said, that’s $400. And as Nick was catching it, you said, that’s mine.

 

(laughing) – I’m like, dude, what the, nobody fucking threw it. – I thought it was cool. I thought it was really neat. I was interested in that stuff. I wasn’t gonna climb down there. – So we found,

 

– Wait a second, wait a second. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

 

So we, – Thank you. I love you, Greg. – We, – We’ll come back to that, Chuck. – I just came home, got home last night at about 10 o’clock and I carried six, five gallon buckets full of rocks back across the country for my wife. – That’s a whole back joke. – Like any, each buckets, each buckets probably a hundred, 150 pounds.

 

And it’s all petrified wood and agate and dinosaur bone. – So you have a, you have a 5,000 pound Jeep towing a trailer with a 7,000 pound freaking Jeep on the trailer with how many pounds of rocks? – A bullshit and, but you won’t text while you drive. Well, that’s great. I’m fucking glad DOT loves you. – Well, I couldn’t text while I drive because I watch movies while I drive.

 

– So my phone’s occupied. – Pornography is a thing. – Don’t let Chuck tell you he doesn’t care about dinosaur bones and shit. We drove past him and like a fucking four year old, he literally throws his hands down to the side, stomps his foot and goes, but I wanted to see dinosaur. – No, I didn’t say that. – Bill will fucking, Bill will stay.

 

– Why didn’t you ask? I would have brought you to a couple of the spots with all the dinosaur bones in the oil. – No, no, no. – It was so fucking bad, Greg. Like we’re driving like Mach negative three because fucking Bob’s got a fucking square headlight piece of shit or whatever the fuck he’s got. And I was like, dude, either we’re gonna fucking get there or we’re not. So we moved along. And then while my jeep’s overheating, because I don’t know, I fucking have a man fucking motor in it, we get where we’re going. And I was like, I thought we was gonna fucking see some goddamn dinosaur bones on this dinosaur bone trail. But I guess I might’ve stopped my foot a little bit. – So I will say that, and I hate to say this out loud, but Bob’s driving a TJ with a straight six, which makes more horsepower than your 304 ever could. – Damn it. – Greg, shut the fuck up. Did you hear the motor? – My motor sounds better though. – Your motor sounds better, but his makes more power and more torque. – I hate you all day long. – And I got a huge ass. – Like twice on Sunday.

 

I fucking hate you. You and I are friends, not anymore. Like I’m deleting you. I’m taking your yarmulke off my head.

 

– Good, Chuck. I’ll make it better.

 

Pick one. Are you ready? – Oh no, he’s standing up. – Uh-oh. – I know you like your wiener or your head or what the hell you got. – No, this is an offer only for Chuck. I’ve got one complete set and Chuck gets to pick one. – I just want my fucking bench. – Shut the fuck up, I’ve got the bench.

 

(laughing) All right. – Oh, buckles, here we go. – Yeah, fuck yeah. – So that is the complete set of all the Easter Jeep Safari Belt Buckles. This one has a CJ5. This one has a Willys. This one has a TJ because they’re the best.

 

This one is a CJ7.

 

This one looks like a Suzuki Samurai, so that’s gay.

 

That one’s a JK, so it’s really gay. Also JK.

 

A Hummer, because that’s really stupid.

 

This is a JK and a Willys, and this is a YJ.

 

Which one do you want? – He wants the Hummer.

 

– Well, he wants a Hummer, but he’s gotta ask his old man. – Yeah, they are. – How do you get stuck by mine?

 

(laughing) – So, wait a minute. So I get one of the complete set? – Yes, this is one complete set. You can have one of them. – Those are awesome.

 

– So I’ll run up to you and I’ll grab one in person. I wanna see him in person, and I don’t know that I wanna break it up. Because you can’t break up something like that. Do you have multiples or what?

 

– No, I don’t have multiples anymore. I used to have multiples of a couple, but this was the complete set. And if you really look at the detail in this. – My goodness.

 

– Even the focus. – Let’s, well, I’m just gonna take a trip up there. – So this is your dad’s Jeep, right? That’s the CJ.

 

That’s what your dad’s got. – I think that’s fun. – And they say, so this one’s from the 26th annual Easter Jeep Safari. – That’s from– – Forever Utah.

 

– Yeah, let’s figure it out, Greg. I don’t know that I wanna break it up though. Maybe it’ll be mine. Maybe you can just put my cattle brand underneath it. We’ll just burn it in your wall saying that you keep it. – And the best, if you look on the back,

 

this is number 11.

 

So that’s where it gets really good because if I flip some of these other ones over,

 

this one’s number 11.

 

– So how about this, Greg? Let me just bring, I’ll run up there because I’ve got to lose some weight before I go up there, right? Because it’s probably fat. (laughing) So I’ll lose my weight. – And this is a cowboy belt buckle, right? So this fits your belt. – Yeah, well, that’s a thin belt for very thin people, which I guess I’m not, I’m gonna go up there and I’ll just brand your wall and try to get it to fit in this one. – Well, I’m gonna do it. – Yeah, I’ll do it. – And I’m gonna go up there brand your wall underneath the one that I want. How about that?

 

Well, I know how to get more. Most people don’t know how to get more. I can get it replaced. So it’s not a big deal. You want it. Yeah. I do want it, but I want all of them. Greedy. Well, if you want all of them, you can buy all of them. I’ll sell you the whole set. I know what I paid for it. All right. Let’s figure it out. Off air. He’ll trade you a bench for it. All right.

 

No, the benches already mine because that’s it. That’s an inside bet between Greg and I that I don’t know. The bench was only going to be yours. If you told me you were coming to Moab and you didn’t tell me that you showed up, were you drunk on Thursday? Did you free or Friday? Did you forget?

 

Oh, no, no, no. That doesn’t mean that that isn’t solid yet. I might, I might have your space. And if I have your space, you get no bench. You pay me money. It’s still a bet. That’s an inside.

 

Well, Bill knows about it. So it’s not really that inside. Yeah. Yeah. I might up it to a thousand just to see it.

 

Your wife was like, get fucked. You know, that was awesome. She’s like, no, fuck you, dude. Yeah. If she wouldn’t have been there, I would have kept, I would have held up my price. But as soon as I realized my wife was standing there, I realized my foot was so deep down my throat. Oh yeah. You looked at her and you were just giggling and she was like, you don’t have that. I was like, fuck, I do. Come on.

 

Yeah. To make inside baseball. All right. Let’s move on. So just for your own edification, I already made the first day on that.

 

To Warren. Yeah. I already made, I already made one phone call. Yeah. So I’ve, I’ve, I’ve made phone calls too. And I’m getting just a shit ton of information. I was like, Jesus Christ. You too. I had no idea that they had, how integrated those two were, but they were just shitty ass seventies and eighties parents. And you’re like, well, you too, it’s pretty bitches. So if you guys are lost, don’t feel bad. I am too. So it’s, it’s not,

 

I apologize. Sorry. Most of us, I think.

 

That’s okay. So the skinny of it is, is I’m going to try and get the black piece of shit put on display somewhere.

 

Because it’s such a cool old Jeep and it’s, it’s got a lot of history and a lot of character.

 

Don’t know if it’ll happen or not yet, but I’m going to try. It’s not like that in Chuck’s like, it’s leaking gas left and right. So it probably needs to be set up someplace.

 

Yeah. I was just going to say, carry a spill kit with you because the gas kept me all over. So I, the first thing I did on Sunday, like I got back Saturday night and woke up on Sunday and I heard Bill’s voice. Like, Hey, you’re, you’re leaking gas. Like, uh, I’m trying to like have husband and wife time. Like I don’t need to hear your voice in the back of my head, Bill.

 

So I, I went on this thing called the interwebs. I don’t know if you guys know about this thing. It’s like this cloudy type stuff where you can like, yeah, you can communicate through the entire like universe and the strata and they, uh, they make parts because Greg said, Chuck, they make that stuff.

 

That’s like, okay. So they, I just bought it. It was not that hard to find his like new old stock or like rebuilt shit. Did I make say to have it? No, uh, it was, um, you know, you know, the year of our Jeep, Greg, it’s a kind of the no man’s land CJ’s that, uh, it was just there. It was very easy to find. And I bought it. And it was like 24 bucks and it’s showing up on Thursday and we’re just going to put new ones on. And I ended up calling the Jeepster man to get the operator. So, um, I’m going to get a new carburetor through him because that, uh, that 2100, there’s a lot of different variations. I want to make sure I get the right one, but it’s very easy to find parts for this Jeep. And I was kind of blown away. Well, it’s a, it’s got a three or four. So you should put it a nice intake and a big four barrel on it. Actually. It’s not my Jeep, Dick. It’s my dad’s Jeep. Like I don’t, obviously even with shitty carburetor, it’ll run. So you just run it. I’m not fucking with it. Yeah.

 

Bill, Bill’s still here. I’m hoping. Yeah. We’ll tell you leaky gas or not the thing fucking runs. Oh yeah. For sure. You can definitely air out the fenders. It runs, but it was, uh, having a hard time in front of the XJ. Oh fuck.

 

You and your goddamn grocery getting son of a bitch. He’s like, Oh, I have a stock XJ and fucking blah, blah, blah. I’m going to get fucking groceries on one tons, whatever.

 

It’s not one times yet.

 

That was a fun trail. That was, yeah. I couldn’t believe I, huh? I’m so afraid. I kind of wish we finished it because the rest of it was actually pretty decent. Yeah. What do you want trail? Uh, porcupine. Yeah. Okay.

 

I was so afraid to be on that on the left side. Like when I went up that place where I got hung up, cause I was like, dude, this thing might have bad breaks. You know, I don’t want to fucking roll off this cliff and I was scared. Like, I’m not going to lie. Like, dude, there’s no fucking way. I’m going to roll, you know, two and a half inches off this fucking like ledge. I’m going to take the harder side. And that’s where I got hung up a couple of times, you know, and then that’s where, uh, Bob like blues radiator and all that kind of crap was like, there’s no fucking way I’m going on that cliff side. Like, nah.

 

Yeah. Afterwards Rick and I ended up buzzing down there and finishing the rest of it or at least up to the viewpoint. And right as we got down to that, that why where we had to turn around to exit, there was a family in a side by side that pulled up and he’s like, he’s like, man, there was one spot back there that I was just, I was puckering. And I knew exactly what spot he was talking about. We were there. We thought we were all going to die.

 

I like how you found the motivation to finally get up that, uh, that ledge eventually. Cause at one point Chuck’s like, build back up your Jeep, man. I’m gonna have to winch off of it. And then all of a sudden it’s like, something clip. He’s like, Oh hell no, I’m not doing that. The second that the words came out of my mouth, I was like, you fucking idiot. I’m going to have another recovery sticker from my collection of all this. This son of a, this son of a bitch is going to have this all over the you porn. Like I can’t fucking do this.

 

That’s funny.

 

Yeah. Like I watched you walk away and that like a light went on in my back, in the back of my brain, like idiot, like he is going to fuck with you for the rest of your life. Like you can’t do this. Like I can throw the turbos on boys and we’re going to get through it.

 

How do you turbo speed through that one barrel carburetor? It’s two barrel dick.

 

Just like my head fits in your Yarmulke here. Like I’m getting a headache. Your fucking hats are so small. You know, there’s an adjustment thing on the back. You can adjust that technical. Wait a minute. Hold on now.

 

And dang internet.

 

He’s not used to a bill wrapped around his head instead of being quiet. No, my God. There’s another voice. See adjustable buckle, adjustable buckle. I’ll give you an adjustable buckle later.

 

Got that curve bill on there. So when he’s looking in the mailbox for his government check, he can find it. Never got one of those. Where’s Larry when we need him? Even when I was in the arm.

 

I’m wondering if John Lee didn’t join us tonight because he didn’t want to hear us talk about off camera. John Lee, are you here? Because we haven’t talked about off camera at all.

 

He’s too sad. He messed up. I was sending him videos.

 

No, I was, uh, I was sorry for letting y’all have your fun. So, but we want to know if you received, I don’t want to, I don’t want to interrupt your, uh, interrupt your EJS party. But we want to know if you, we want to know if you received your postcard.

 

Yeah, but it was sideways. I mean, somebody even call it a slightly off something. I mean,

 

I just, I just knew the trash is the fuck those guys.

 

As a fucking man should good job.

 

And I’m pretty sure, and I’m pretty sure I have it on my dash cam. I need to find it, but I have a photo that I’ll be sharing or a video clip of you. You guys seeing Chuck with his camera up in front of him, taking a selfie while he is out there on the trail. I wasn’t taking a selfie. God damn it. I was actually taking like a panoramic. That’s what I’m gonna go with.

 

Well, I don’t have a top because most Jeeps don’t come with tops.

 

There’s a panoramic.

 

That’s right. With my Yarmulke. Thank you. That’s just to get his whole head in one picture. Oh, get fucked. Great. It said friend blasting from his Jeep the whole time. I’m just taking the picture. My what? So John in here, right? Said Fred blasting from his Jeep while he was doing the music jamming out there. I was, I was listening to it. Oh, he had a, he had a whole antique tape box.

 

Yeah.

 

All I, all I remember is tragedy had ate that tape. I was like, Oh my God. All I remember is tragedy had ate that tape. Bob, who was, who was Dutch Dutch was right behind me. And I was on something with you and Bill, and I come down and hit so hard. It’s a back.

 

And I was like, Christ, oh dear. And I took it out. I’m like fixing it with my like pinky and Dutch comes up with his girlfriend and they’re like, what happened? I was like, I skipped my, my tape deck. Well, I think that was on Klondike.

 

I think you’re like, not my Billy Ray Cyrus. Oh, that was my, my, I had a mix. My mom and I made back in the fricking nineties and it was Billy Ray Cyrus and some other people and I was really excited and it fricking ate the tape, man. I was like, damn it. This thing is fucking junk. I was surprised. It doesn’t use these. I thought I don’t have that much money.

 

Yeah. We don’t have that kind of original Cheech and Chong. Oh, that was good stuff back then. There you go. Aren’t you the one that’s supposed to bring me like the Beastie boys and an NWA and everybody?

 

The other thing that was just as what he was trying to call the other thing that was impressive was the fact that he had a case for the cassettes. Yes. Yeah. That was that right. A leather. What was it? Leather case for the cassettes. It’s pleather. I mean, come on. It’s 1970s. Not that nice, but everyone’s got to have a tape cassette holder. Like, come on now. Oh, no, that tape cassette holder was not from the seventies. That tape cassette player and holder were from the late eighties. Yeah. It is.

 

Yeah. Yeah. I do have, um, I have two live crew and, um, I want it. Was it I’ve got everything from the violent femmes to live crew. Easy. Um, I don’t know. I didn’t find any easy. What? No, I didn’t find any easy. That’s kind of bummed out. Feels off. You said if you were going to bring it, I would rock it on the next trail. Cause I will a hundred percent rock to live crew. Yes. One hundred percent. I’ve got the two live crew, the dirty nursery rhymes. Yes. Yeah. One hundred percent. Yep. And I’ve got, I’ve got ice tea and a couple others. Um, I don’t know, there’s like 15 or 20 tapes in there. So, so yeah, I’ll donate them to the cause. Yeah. There’s nothing better than a five foot 11 cowboy and a 50 year old Jeep rocking to life crew. Like that’s bitchin five foot 11. Yeah. What did you fucking cut your boots off? No, you were three inch lift boots. I’m sorry. Yeah, I have to. I got a small wiener bill. No, no.

 

I was pointed the wrong direction and bill walked up like, God damn it, Chuck. I’m like, I’m not rooming with you to next.

 

Bill’s like this fucking, you can just stay at the hostel with the gone Jeep and grew the worst part about it is he was looking at me through my windshield, talking to me as he was doing it.

 

I was watching Bill come down the trail and I’m like, Oh, this is going to be good.

 

He didn’t tell me or anything. He’s like, he didn’t get on the radio like, Hey, bill. Well, this is one of the reasons why you need to join the zoom meeting because you never know what’s going to be said, uh, what’s going to happen, uh, so on and so forth. So, uh, hope you enjoyed this. I’m hoping that it wasn’t too far out, uh, too much inside baseball for you guys not to be able to enjoy this, but it is what it is. We had a great time and there’s absolutely no reason why you can’t join us. Uh, I mean, we had a bunch of people there this year. I’m so grateful. It would make it, it makes it so much more fun when you have so many voices, so many opinions, and in, in, in some cases, just an audience laughing at the crazy things that are going on. Uh, it was such fun. And, uh, my wife got to go for the first time this year. So she had a great time. She still can’t believe that, uh, uh, that many people would want to be around me for that long, but it is what it is. So hopefully you guys can join us there, uh, next year, EJS 2025. Uh, and, uh, you know, we are going to have something you can come to sooner than that this June, June 8th, we’re going to be having a Jeep talk show, uh, off-road Texas event. Uh, we’ve, uh, I think this is going to be the fourth annual one. Uh, it’s going to be at hidden falls adventure, uh, adventure park. I think that’s right. Uh, in near marble, fall marble falls, Texas. And actually it’s going to, I believe that either, uh, I think Thursday, uh, so the June 8th is a Saturday. So that Thursday, I think people are actually going to be getting to the park and you may be able to be able to do a little wheeling. If you get there on Thursday with Bill and John Lee, uh, who are setting up all the trails, getting those things to set up for the ones that we’re going to be running and then Friday, uh, they are planning on either bill or John or both of them are planning on doing a little, um, uh, not necessarily trail ride, but going to some of the one or more small towns in the area. I’m not sure if they’re going to get to Lukenbach yet. Uh, that’s still being discussed, but I did hear rumor of going to a barbecue place, uh, so it might be a good opportunity to, I kind of have the, the, the Easter Jeep safari, uh, experience. I’ll call it EJS light, uh, but in Texas.

 

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All right, welcome. This is another episode in the Jeep Talk Show saga that we call the Roundtable Week.

 

This is another episode that I’m helping host this week because Tony is out in Moab playing and hanging out. I think actually tonight they’re at the Motobill Party, which is awesome for them. We’re all still a little bit, but heard about it for those of us left behind.

 

But hopefully we’ll be able to soldier on.

 

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What tire are you running right now specifically? And what is your opinion of it? Have you ever fabricated something for your rig? And are you happy with the way it turned out? Do you have onboard air? What did you install? What kind of system did you put in? So these are the questions we’re gonna ask tonight. And right now I want to bring in the rest of the Zoom people. So remember everybody, I think I hit mute also. Feel free to unmute. And what does Tony say? Hi Zoom people or whatever.

 

Hello. – Hey, hello. – Hey, how’s it going? – All righty, ho. – Rest of y’all sad as I am, we’re not able to hang out in EJS where we’re rough here at our day-to-day jobs. – We have an EJS are here with us now, Dan. – Do we? Who joined us? – Holy shit, there’s Bill. – Yeah. – Was he? – Oh, thanks for slumming, Bill.

 

– Hey, Bob. – Hey, Bob. – You too, Bob. – You too, Bob. – How’s EJS going so far? – It’s awesome, yeah. – Was that 41 degree down angle or whatever on Vincent things you’re talking about earlier, Bill? – Yeah, do you like the commentary on that video? – Yeah. – She liked the comment. – Yeah, something about shit in your pants.

 

Jesus Christ, there was quite a few expletives I think I heard on the video. – Yeah, that was fun. – Awesome, awesome. All right, well, I’m sure we’ll have plenty of stories from EJS and coming videos that everybody’s gonna wanna go through. So I mentioned a little bit ago, we’re gonna try to go through and see how many answers we can get to these questions from folks. I may try to call on a few. So I wanna start off with the first question. What do you do for routine maintenance yourself on your rig and what kind of schedule do you try to keep to? So Larry, you wanna start us off with your answer there? What do you normally like to try to do yourself from a routine maintenance point of view? – Yeah, so typically what I’ll do is I’ll change the oil every three to 5,000, even though it’s all synthetic.

 

And usually every other oil change, I’ll rotate the tires and everything.

 

And then typical about every 30,000 or so, or usually about every four or five oil changes, all the diff fluid and all that stuff gets changed out, which sometimes that’s six months, sometimes it’s…

 

– You judge by how much wheeling you do. Like if you’re doing a lot of water crossings, somebody may kind of bring that schedule a little bit. – Yeah, if I was doing a lot of water or something like that, I would bring it in, but I don’t really get into a lot of the water crossings, but yeah, definitely if I was doing a lot of that, then like the diff fluids and all that stuff would be changed a lot sooner because no one wants to milkshake in the axle. – Just ask Rick, right? – Yeah.

 

– Awesome. All right, Matt, besides replacing the drums on your trailer every 5,000 miles,

 

what’s the maintenance that you do doing that four by eight? Anything different than oil changes and normal?

 

– So surprisingly, not really.

 

Other than my batteries last about 18 months,

 

the 12-bolt ones, but yeah, similar to Larry, just probably 5,000 mile oil changes. I think the times that I don’t do it myself is gonna be when we’re on a trip that lasts over that time period, right? And then you’re peering in on the five-minute oil change guy to make sure he’s doing what you want him to do. But yeah, and I just, every couple of weeks, I’m under the hood anyways, check to make sure all the fluids are there,

 

topped off and then making sure nothing’s leaking. I think a lot of it is, once you get it cleaned up after a trail ride, getting under it and making sure there’s nothing still wet looking once it’s dry. – Oh yeah, let it sit overnight in the garage and see if a puddle forms underneath it, right?

 

Yeah, awesome. So Andrew, what about you? I know you got the LJ, that thing just leaks naturally. So do you have to actually change the oil or do you just keep adding to it? – You just kind of gauge by the puddle underneath it to see the radius losing versus how much you need to add. But the most part I do in my own main is keep it on a notebook, top off oil, I really gas change if it’s needed. – That’s a good point though, keeping the log. I do the, so when I got a little notebook in the garage, I jot it down, but I also use Google Docs and throw a record up there so I can access it if I’m away from all, when was the last time I did a service or whatever, help some troubleshooting and diagnosing. – Absolutely. – Awesome. All right, Chip, what about you?

 

– Wow, I mean, like what Larry was saying, just the common things of oil changes and tire rotations, I think my biggest thing, I don’t have a routine maintenance, but if I’m gonna go on a week long trip, I’m doing a lot more checking, right? I mean, pre-season, I’ll go through and make sure all the bolts are tight, make sure everything’s good, especially maybe a month in advance of a big event where I wanna make sure, ball joints, view joints, all those things are in good shape. But once I get into season, if I just go out on a Saturday and go wheeling for a day, I’m not too worried about that. As long as the Jeep’s performing well, I don’t come home and go through everything all over again. I’m probably even worse, I don’t even necessarily wash it down. I don’t mind having a little bit of dirt and it looks like I’ve been out.

 

But yeah, I’ve got a bigger trip coming up, I’m gonna go out to the Black Hills with a group of friends and where we gone wheeling it for five days straight, going through a pretty good checklist of stuff just to make sure everything’s ready to go before I hit the trail. – Absolutely.

 

I had tightening bolts, checking paint marks, making sure that nothing’s kind of backed off, things like that. – Right, right, and marking paint, a lot of people don’t even think about that, it’s mark the bolts, so you can watch to see if they moved at all.

 

I try to do that whenever we do a lift, is put mark them and then after you drive it, a few hundred miles, check those, make sure they didn’t back off. – Oh yeah, absolutely. All right, Chris, I know you’re up there in Michigan as routine maintenance, just getting the snow off the top of it and knocking some salt out from underneath it. – Yeah, going through the car wash to get the snow out of the bottom, but yeah, to answer your question, I do all my own maintenance,

 

5,000 miles, oil change, tire rotation, pretty religiously, and then follow the recommended

 

service intervals for everything else. Like Larry said, I mean, when you get into the water, check at least check your diff fluids

 

to make sure there’s no milkshake in there, but typically just 5,000 miles religiously with the tire rotations and oil changes and then everything else pretty standard. – So when you say all, that’s interesting. So fuel service, coolant flushes, things like that, do you even tackle that yourself? – Yes, yeah, I mean, I did it for many years myself. I mean, I’m not the brag of myself, but I’m very competent and capable. And I just like a lot of us don’t want anybody else touching my Jeep unless they have to. I wouldn’t do any body work. I’m not a paint guy. I’m not a bump and bondo guy at all, but I don’t want anybody touching my Jeep except me. – Chris, you’re my hero. I’m one of the lesser mechanics, so things like monoclonal flushes and fuel system clean outs. I typically take in, but I’d like to try to do it myself. It’s just a big job. – The only thing I won’t get into is an automatic transmission manual, maybe. It depends on the time, but now just do yourself YouTube, YouTube certified mechanics, just like Bob, right Bob? – I was about to say, speaking of YouTube certified mechanic, Bill, Bob, y’all are kind of answering together here. So what do y’all, what do you like to tackle yourself from a routine maintenance?

 

– Synthetic, I go with synthetic.

 

– Synthetic, is that a, that’s much better than steel.

 

Is that like an inflatable doll? What are we talking about? – No, April 1st flashback. – Yeah, that’s shit. That’s 20 bucks is 20 bucks, Chip, don’t judge. – No, I mean, pretty much like everybody else said, right? Doing kind of the normal intervals. And then certainly before trip,

 

I’ll do something a little bit ahead of schedule or as soon as I get back, if I’ve been going through water or like this week or whatever, I may dump the dead fluid and check those other things just to make sure after the trip, everything’s good to go. – Cabin air filter?

 

(laughing) I mean, it seems simple enough, right? But I mean, that cabin air filter. – So on some trips, like on overlanding trips, I’ll bring a cabin air filter and an air filter with me. And at the place I’m staying just before I’m gonna make the drive back home, I used to just replace both of those, like proactively, like especially if it was like seven days of just nothing but dust on there. But I’ve learned from this week about the recirculate feature from our favorite YouTube mechanic. And so I’ve been using that. And apparently that keeps a lot of the dust out of your cabin air filter. – It’s just a button you put on the deck. – It’s fancy, yeah.

 

– When you replace that cabin air filter, do you put a little leaf or two of potpourri in there for your– – Oh, hell yeah. Oh, hell yeah. – I think I bit in the Jeep. I think it’s lavender is what he uses. – Yeah, okay. – Lavender spray. – Yeah, sometimes I do that or I’ll put a little bit of like pine salt on there. So…

 

(laughing) – You want to see it in the forest? – Yeah, it’s like Carolina pine forest. Yeah, man has something to talk about. – All right, thanks. Garrett, besides the normal oil change, anything else like that? Or is there anything that you do differently on your routine maintenance?

 

– No, I mean, on my new Jeep, I’m about to do my second oil change, but I’m taking it to the dealer for that so I can keep my warranty as much as I can until that’s up. And when that’s up, I’m changing everything over the end. – Garrett, Garrett, it’s bullshit. You don’t need to take your Jeep to the dealer to do the oil change. It’s– – I call bullshit on that. I call bullshit on that. No, I call bullshit on that.

 

(laughing) It’s upon the manufacturer, in all seriousness, this came up in the early 90s. It’s upon the manufacturer to prove that the modification or neglect caused the failure of a warranty component. It just really pisses me off because I worked in, I shouldn’t say this, but I worked in dealer sales or dealer service

 

on the old East Side for a long time and it’s just not a great place to have your vehicle serviced. – And Garrett, you’ve been on here before. You know not to trigger a Chris like that.

 

(laughing) – Thanks, John.

 

– But yeah, I need to get a TPMS sensor so I’m just gonna have them do it when they do that. And it’s only my second oil change and I’m doing it at 5,000 miles, but they want me to do 10,000. I’m like, no way.

 

So I’m not waiting that long. So while it’s in there, I’m just gonna tell them to rotate the tires and change the oil and put that TPMS sensor in there because they don’t put one in the spares on the gladiators.

 

But other than that, I do pretty much all my own stuff, diffs, transmission fluid, transfer case fluid. I changed it all to AMSOIL and that’s what I did in my TJ when I had it. – How are you rotating your spare and your gladiator? Because I just got a gladiator, I’m just curious.

 

– You just do a five tire. So like I think I did the rear passenger is… – Yeah, but my spare is a steel wheel. I’ve got the aluminum wheels and my spare is a steel wheel. – We can have… – Okay. – I have to have to market wheels in 30 seconds. – Ah, okay. Okay, you’re better than me. Jesus Christ, you’re better than me. Okay, Garrett, that’s fine. – That’s why you can do the dealership and give them off. – I did the Mopar lift. So whatever, I don’t, I’m just leaving it at that for right now. – You might wanna check on that first oil change because a lot of times they’ll extend the first oil change a little bit longer to make sure the rings are seated properly.

 

– All right, yeah, I’ve already had my first oil change. I did that already. – Nevermind then. – Yeah, I did that one already.

 

So just a quick question on the spare on the Gladiator

 

with a 37, did that fit in the stock spare location or did you have to put a different kind of mount?

 

– It fits in there. You have to put it towards the heat shield. The heat shield is towards the front of the bed. So you put that side in first and then you just kind of crank it up there and it’ll go in there. – Awesome.

 

Awesome, all right. Let’s see, Blaine joined us here. Blaine, we’re all going through answering the question about what kind of routine maintenance do you tackle yourself and maybe you’re working on how. – Yeah, hi everybody. It’s been a few weeks since I’ve been on.

 

I pretty much do everything I possibly can myself.

 

Anything from the simple oil change, tire rotation, belts.

 

I’ve rebuilt transfer cases, you name it. I’m not afraid to tackle it too much. Don’t care too much, tear into the engines too much. And luckily now I don’t have anything that I need to do that to. So.

 

– Awesome.

 

Yep, you’re just sitting there right there with Chris. Chris does everything. And Chris actually welded his frame together and then he did all his own riveting on the body. I mean, he’s a super mechanic. – Nice. – Right Chris?

 

– No, no, no, no, just mechanical. Just mechanical. No welding, no riveting. No, I’m gonna lean on Larry for the welding and the riveting. – There you go. – All right. – I’m gonna add something back to the gladiator and spare tire thing. So as some of you know, I just got rid of my gladiator I guess about two months ago now. And I’ve been building up my Wrangler now. And one thing I learned there is in my gladiator, I had a 37 in the spare. It was great just bolted right here. It got bolted, but just mounted right up. No modification needed. Then I get the Wrangler and get my 37s and like, oh crap, where am I gonna put the spare? And then you have to get the reinforcement plate and all that good fun stuff back there. So just got that mounted this weekend, but. – Which reinforcement, did you go with the terra-flax or which one? – No, I’m a cheap bastard. So I go as cheap as I can for as good as I can. But I went with the Tiger, T-T-Y-G-E-R.

 

I’ve seen some on some other rigs that seem to be quite beefy. And so far I really liked it, but it was relatively cheap, but it replaced all of everything from the stock engines, the whole plate across the tailgate, pretty beefy and unstout. And it retained, and this is probably where it gets a little cheap is it retains the stock wheel mount

 

and such, but it seems to work great, holds it stable as can be. So we’ll see how long it lasts, but so far, Mappy. – Awesome.

 

All right, let’s see, I think Travis is the only one that, no, sorry, you got mic too. So Travis, routine maintenance, do you do it yourself or do you take it into the dealership or how do you handle routine maintenance? – The YJ, when I’ve got it in my possession, 100% everything’s myself, might be watching a shop now. The Forex E, 100%, everything’s at a shop. – Just the complexity there? – It’s a computer and I’m not one of you guys, that’s a computer engineer. Nope, not doing it. You give me an old six owner 4.0, I’ll handle that.

 

My Jeep’s in the shop for transmission issue, not for oil or anything along that line. But yeah, when it comes to belt changes, when it comes to oil changes, when it comes to brakes, when it comes to anything on the YJ I’ve done and do and will do, the Forex E, it’s going to the shop. It’s also under warranty.

 

So with that warranty, 100% gonna just take it to the shop. Even though I understand Chris and what he said and I worked for dealership, I 100% know it’s true,

 

but I just go to the shop.

 

– Gotcha, gotcha. All right, I think Mike, did you wanna add anything? You got anything on maintenance that you wanna add in here?

 

– Basically about the same as everybody else, as long as I can do it in the driveway, with the Jack and Jack’s hands,

 

I’m open up, you know, to do it all.

 

– Awesome, so that Jeep can do attitude there, right? So I think it’s kind of universal there. Well, besides Travis and his Forex E, that everybody likes to get their hands dirty and knock out their own maintenance there. So we’re gonna move on to the next question here and see if we get some fun answers on this one. So I’m sorry, I just kinda got distracted there, looked up and saw the background picture that Bob has on his little thing there. I don’t even wanna know what he’s doing with that hilt that he’s taking a picture of. – That’s disturbing. – That is very disturbing.

 

– 20 bucks is 20 bucks, shut the hell up. (laughing) If anybody’s watching on YouTube, they’ll get to see what everybody’s disturbed about there. So, all right, here comes the fun question, the one that’s, I think it could be controversial or it could be, you know, boring, but not necessarily what you think is right for everybody because, you know, where we wheel at and how we wheel is gonna change the answer across the board. But you personally, what tire are you running right now on your rig and what’s your opinion of it? Do you like it? Are you running it because you spent the money and you gotta wait until you can spend money on something else?

 

What’s your overall opinion? So I wanna start back with Larry again. So Larry, what’s your opinion of, what are you running and what’s your opinion of it? – So I’m running the Rodian,

 

the Nexen Rodian’s MTs, but South of Italy, you know, I’ve seen how they ran a lot out in California and other areas and, you know, we did pursue a sponsorship with them. So you can take whatever I save with that grain of salt.

 

But, you know, we were running the Milestars for a long time

 

and I never really had any issues with those randos for almost 80,000 miles. – It’s amazing out of an inch. – And then the Nexens that I run now, I’ve not had any issues. They seem to do very well even at really low PSI. So, you know, we’ve, the only thing they don’t, you know, and you’ve seen this, they don’t like mud

 

when we were all at Hot Springs. I mean, it was that suit that we were all kind of stuck in, at least I was. And- – I was about to say, I think there was some Nino’s and B of cheese at the top of the hill that-

 

– Well, you took a different line. I took the harder line. – Didn’t take a different line. Didn’t take a different line. – But yeah, that’s what I’m running right now. – Awesome. All right. Let’s see, Matt, what are you running?

 

– So a lot of BFG K02s. Actually one of the, embarrassingly enough, one of the reasons is because I wanna raise white letters. But we’ve got eight of them that we run in the rotations of the trailer.

 

And I think it’s a great on-road tire, which I think is awesome for, you know, putting 25,000 miles a year, we don’t want the Jeep in the trailer, but definitely lacking in several areas and off-road. So it gave you things a bit of a compromise.

 

It probably works out better for us overall to have a tamer tire, but definitely off-road

 

leaves a lot to be desired. – Just in mud, the rocks, all of the above or? – Yeah, I mean, it’s not awful in the rocks or anything. Mud, the mud is the worst. So not having, you know, it’s just not a big enough void to clear, which I think is the big thing. The on-road is great, but, and really in the rocks, we haven’t had a lot of traction issues, air and down enough, there’s a lot there. But the mud and like anything wet

 

tends to be rough here like out in the East Coast.

 

– Oh, sure. All right, I think BFG K02s though, even with their faults, I mean, I see so many of them. And I think like you said, there’s some give and take and, you know, in specific situations, like you said, putting a lot of miles on them or community or whatever, they do make a lot of sense. I see a lot of them being sold, so. – And you can, I mean, one good thing is, unfortunately we’ve had to get them a couple of different places in the country, but they’re normally fairly readily available. So, you know, within a day, you know, most people with a decent network can get you a set of 37 inch K02s, which may not be, you know, you know, it’s getting better now, but a year ago, that wasn’t the case with a lot of tires, right? – Oh, absolutely. I had to wait quite a while for my, my middoes back when I ordered them a couple years ago. So, all right, Chip, what are you running? I know you got like 17 different Jeeps, but on your, let’s say on your two door JK there, what you’re running? – So my two door JK, when I bought it, it had Nito Ridge Grapplers on it.

 

And I took it to Moab and it did wonderful. I think that when you get to an all train tire, it’s a great tire for Moab and some of those type situations or a lot of trails.

 

But when I got back home, the all trains just don’t clear out enough, right? You were like everybody saying that they’re great on rain, they’re great on snow, they’re good. It’s an all around good tire. But when I go out into some of the muds on a lot of the trails I’m going, I really need a bigger lug. And so I’ve been running BFG KM3s or I had KM2s, but I’ve got BFGs KM2s or 3s on all but one of them, well, all but two of my Jeeps. So my wife’s daily still running the BFG K2Os and I love those tires and they do well in general. But again, if you’re going out and wheeling in much mud,

 

I like the bigger lug. The little LJ I got’s got Yokohama and I don’t even know what the tire is. They look like- – Geo-enders? – Geo-enders, yes, yes. They look like a road tire, they look like an all terrain but I tell you what, I’ve been impressed with them so far. I haven’t taken them in deep mud and I’m not gonna really off-road that LJ for a while. So I did a little off-roading in Arizona, it did fine. It didn’t clean out real well when I went through some mud out there. I guess there is some mud in Arizona but I’m a big BFG fan and a big KM3 fan but I see a lot of what, Cooper SST pros, I’ve seen, so Jeep Jamboree just took on a sponsor of General Tire now. So I’ve got one of my buddies just put Generals on his that are MTs, they look pretty aggressive. I’m curious to see how they do, so.

 

– Yeah, I think that General Grabber’s, it’s up there with the BFG KM3s as just kind of a good stalwart, it’s a lot of people use it, a lot of people run it. So awesome, all right.

 

I think Andrew is up next. So Andrew, what tire are you running? – I run that BFG K02, run it all, my vehicle’s granted. I did switch over to a KM3, BFG, good wrench

 

for the LJ 35, 12 and a half.

 

So I’m excited to see how it does, because granted all I know is the K02’s wheeling, so hopefully it does pretty well.

 

– Well, I think a lot of people use it, but I do got a question. So you said good wrench, so is that made by Dale Earnhardt Incorporated or? – Sorry, whatever, whatever getting tired is. – P.F. Goodrich, so. – P.F. Goodrich, whatever, my apologies. But the K02’s are really good, especially like in South Texas on the ranch, minus when it’s muddy.

 

Other than that, they’re really good for sidewall protection when you’re running through thorns and brush and everything else. That’s mainly why I run the K02’s on everything.

 

– Awesome, it looks like Chris has stepped away. I don’t see him in the camera there. So Garrett, what tire are you running?

 

– So I’m running the Patagonia MTO2’s just because I had the original ones on my TJ.

 

But honestly, I’m probably not gonna go back to them after these wear out, because they have a tendency to unevenly, the lugs, one’s high, one’s low, one’s high, one’s low. So it causes a vibration and the center seems to be a little higher than the rest of it. And it’s just not wearing very well. So I think I’m gonna go with the Nitto’s whenever I change to the Nitto 38’s, because I saw that they had 38’s. – Wow, that’s actually, what I just put on mine is the 38 Trail Grapper. So I’m loving them so far, but I had the 37 in Trail Grappers before. So good tire.

 

All right, let’s see, Blaine, what tire are you running on the Wrangler that you’re building up there? – So I’ve got the Milestar Patagonias on this. I had them on my Latiator before, got a set on another old ZJ, and they’ve done us well. We beat the living crap out of them and have yet to have one fail us.

 

Garrett mentioned the crown to the tire. They’re actually designed that way. I don’t know if you’re aware of that, but it’s one of the rare, a few true crown tires.

 

So it does tend to ride on the center logs, which I think is what helps with the mileage that you get out of them, because you’re riding on that more solid block, if you will, instead of the outer edges, but I always air down considerably when I go off road.

 

But they were fine for me. I’ve never had any abnormal wear, but I rotate about probably every two to 3000 miles at best.

 

And as long as you do that, they seem to wear very evenly in my case, but I’ve never had any issues in that. I absolutely love them. – So I know the rotation is critical. I know, like you generally let people vinegar speak, he got 80,000 plus miles out of his Patagonias, but I know he rotates them, I think, like every 10 miles, I think.

 

(laughing) – I run a lot of air pressure in those too. – Another thing I like with them is they tend to run fairly true to size. Like the ones I’ve literally brand new is right now, probably don’t even have a hundred miles on them yet.

 

And they’re lightweight on my wheels I have, and the 37s, the 37, four, fives, they weigh right at 102 pounds fully mounted and measured, they’re about like 36 point, roughly 36 and a half inches mounted.

 

So that’s, I think that’s pretty good. Now that’s not mounted on the Jeep, on the Jeep it’s pretty close to 36, but you know, just sitting off the vehicle, but full of air and mounted, a lot better than a lot of tires, I guess, when it comes to the actual size. – And I think that’s something that not a lot of people realize when they’re shopping, they’re new to that is that if you’re ordering a 38 or a 37, if you pull your tape measure out with that thing, mounted to your Jeep, it’s not likely going to measure 38, 37. – Yeah, I’ve got a friend of mine that he’s got a newer set of the BFG K02s and the 37s, and when we pull up next to each other, you would swear I’m on at least 38s next to his BFGs, and they’re supposedly the same size, right? – Yeah, BFGs run small. I know that, but for pulling up next to, I think Bill’s got 37s on his 392, and I can pull up next to mine, they just, they look taller.

 

And yeah, you could tell they run small.

 

– You know, there’s another interesting aspect that you didn’t ask in this question was what tire pressure do you run at when you’re just going on the road? – So, and in my Wrangler, I’m still playing with it now, but I’m at pretty much 35, 36.

 

I like to stay up on that crown a little bit, only Patagonia’s just to keep the, that’s kind of what they’re designed for, but it seems to be tracking fine, and I’m pretty happy with it. When I’m a gladiator, I ran a little bit different pressures just for the lighter weight on the bed versus the, you know, the front side of the Wrangler, it seems to be a little more evenly, I don’t know,

 

to it, but again, 35, 36 is where I’m about. – You know, because on my BFGs, depending on what I’m doing and where I’m going, but I mean, I’ve been playing around between 26 and 32 on the highway for comfort, and if I get 40,000, I don’t know, you know, they’re trail tires, and my short Jeep is mostly off-road, and so really, I’m chunking out log pieces on rocks and everything else, and I’m not gonna get, oh, if I get 20, 25,000 miles

 

with the majority of that being trail,

 

I think I’ve accomplished a lot. Now, on the road, and my wife’s Jeep, and when we take her JL and to get changed, they’re always pumping it up to 40, and it changes the ride, so I bring this woman era down to 36 or maybe 34, and you just get a better comfort. Right now in the LJ, I’m running 26 on the GeoLander, that was the way the guy had it when I bought it. I could probably go up a little bit, because I upgraded the lift kit, but I think it’s an interesting aspect of what tire pressure you run at to either one maximize mileage on the tire, or look at also the comfort, and I guess a lot of it comes on suspension and shocks. – The way your rig plays a lot of that, too, right? Because if, you know, like, I know my rig runs about 6,000 pounds, and when I was running the miles, I ran 40 PSI in them. – Wow, really? – And to keep up on that center crown of that tire.

 

And I got a lot of life out of them, but I ran a lot of PSI on the highway, right? If I was on, if I was, you know, it’s like the rest of us, so you get on a rougher road, you take some air out of it, but when you’re running, you know, concrete, you know. – The tire size can play in pressure. I don’t know, as I’ve been going up in tire size, I’ve been kind of going down in pressure, because I do the chalk test, although I do a little bit differently. I just spray the, spray some, with the water hose, I hit the tire, get it wet, and then kind of drive a dry patch of concrete or whatever. And you can see the pattern of your tire, and I just try to get it as flat as I can to look at that pressure and then stay with it. So for me, it’s about 27, 28 from my 38s, but yeah, it’s, there’s not gonna be a perfect pressure that we can say on here that everybody should be running, because there’s so many variables with your, – Which tire, what you drive in, what weight, all those things. Every time I hear about the chalk test, it makes me think back in high school, our high school back in the 70s actually had a rule that girls could come to school braless if they could pass the pencil test, which means they, if they could put a pencil under their breast and it would fall out, they didn’t have to wear a bra, but if it fell out, if it wouldn’t fall out, they had to wear a bra, if it did fall out, they didn’t have to wear a bra. – So when they rode their horses up to school, because I’m assuming it was that long ago. – It wasn’t that bad. But here’s the real question, right? So this was actually a policy at school. Who in the hell, – Not many of us, not many of us. – Had to administer the test. That’s what I wanted to mention.

 

Who came up with the test? (laughing) – Probably his name was Weinstein. – Part of the PE teacher.

 

– You old Harvey. Hey, Chris, you’re back. – What tire are you running? And what is your opinion of it? – I’m embarrassed to admit this. – Jeff wants to know the tire pressure. – I’m embarrassed to admit it’s a 245 75 17 that came on my gladiator sport. And I just haven’t had the fun tickets upgrade yet. So yeah, it’s a street pedestrian tire, probably 30 32 PSI. – What are they coming with now from the battery? Is it good years or? – I don’t even know. I think it’s hand cook. I don’t even know. It’s they’re new. I don’t know. It’s embarrassing. I just. – So our 23 JL came with the FG K2Os. – Well, I got a – Depends on the model you got. – It’s a 20. – If you’re buying a sport to a lube car. – I do how to get the sport.

 

So that’s what it is. But yeah, we’ll change it. We’ll change that sooner than later. – Yeah, but I guess to go back to a tire familiar because you just recently got the gladiator. So yeah, I remember correctly, you were running Toyos on the JK. – Yeah, I was on my second set of Toyo AT3s, AT2, AT2 slash three. It was in the second set. Really liked the Toyos. Give a shout out to them. My only negative to Toyos, they’re just heavy. They run a true, we were talking earlier about, what the tire size is. They run a very true tire size. If they say it’s a 33 or they say it’s a 35, it is very close to that. Unlike BF Goodrich, BF Goodrich, like you said, John always runs small, but they’re just damn heavy. But love the Toyos. And I’m thinking about getting a set of Toyos on the gladiator pretty soon. The Nittos are very, Nitto and Toyo are kind of like cousins. So my Nittos are pretty heavy as well. So, and they, they’re kind of- – I don’t know if y’all know this or not, both the Nitto and the Toyo, they’re 100% American-made tire. They’re all made in white Georgia. – Really? I thought they were, most tire. – Yep, I’ve got a really big plan over there. I go there quite frequently for work. – Wow. – So you’re saying, – So Blaine, you’re saying you get John and I discount? Is that what you’re saying? – I don’t know. (laughing) Which is why I’m not running those.

 

(laughing) – All right, well, I think I know their workers get, I think they get like two sets a year for no charge. But they’re pretty restricted on, you know, what they’re supposed to do with them and stuff. But it’s a pretty cool process to see it all being made. But yeah, they’re all down there in Georgia being made there. – Who the hell needs two- – So after the show comes out, everybody’s putting applications in. – Who the hell needs two sets of tires a year for three after not selling them on you?

 

(laughing)

 

– Chris, haven’t you ever heard of like red label stickies or whatever, man? If you can get a set of red label stickies for your crawler. – Yeah, absolutely. – And Christmas comes around, you get a set of tires, you get a set of tires, I mean, it’d be awesome. So Travis, what are you running?

 

– I’ve got KM3s on the 4XC, I’ve got Toyo MTs on the YJ. Huge fan of the Toyos like Chris.

 

I mean, my YJ’s a wheel and rig, those MTs are impressive in the mud, like a lot of you guys were knocking mud and what your tires were running. Those are impressive in the mud. Those impressive on the highway, I will give them that as well. And the years and the length I’ve had, it’s on a daily driver, but from when I put those tires on the Jeep in 17,

 

it’s stupid how much tread I’ve got. I don’t drive the Jeep often, but I’m highly, highly impressed with those Toyos. My KM3s currently, I’ve been impressed with last season. I’ve got a little bit of time left with them. I bought everything for the 4XC used. So they’re not gonna last forever. And so I was excited to hear this conversation. I’m gonna be upgrading tires and I mean, they’re gonna go back to what I know or someone’s gonna stupidly impress me on something else, which I was leading to the next and from everything said here on the show to now, I’m like, “Ah, let me go back to what I know,” which is Toyo and Nitto.

 

So we’ll see. – I think one of the other advantages that Toyos and the Nitto is just speaking, because I’ve actually run on both. I had the open country MTs on my JK first. That was my first tire upgrade.

 

One of the reasons they’re heavy is they do run a harder compound, which allows them to get their life out of the tread on there and they have stupid, thick sidewalls. And when you see them kind of pinch up and take rockets straight off the sidewall and running low air pressures and everything else, it’s impressive. There’s a reason why when you look out there at a Ultra Four cars running and King of the Hammers and everything else, you see a couple of the same brands over and over again. The funny thing is you’ve heard them here tonight as well. I mean, Nitto, Toyo, BF Goodrich. I mean, these are, I think, Nexon even runs and every man challenge really limited them to 37. So, you know, that’s where they’re torture tested. So, awesome. I think, Mike, you’re the only one left there. So, Mike, what kind of tires you running?

 

– Hi, I noticed BF Goodrich came out with his K02 or K03?

 

– With the K02s are the latest on the all-trains. Although I think they are coming out with the K03 at its own point of time. – Yeah, K02. That’s the all-train for now. So, I’ve only had them for a year. So, I haven’t tried them out for a hundred yet or anything like that, so.

 

– You like them so far? – Yeah, so far. They did okay in the snow and all that. – Awesome. All right, let’s move on to our next question here. It’ll probably be our last one. Looking at the time thing, we’re gonna get through this one and we’ll save the next one. Because I think the next one, the last question about onboard air would almost be a whole episode itself. So, question number three.

 

And we’re gonna go back and start with Larry again.

 

And it’s fitting that we’re starting with Larry on this one. Because question number three is, have you ever fabricated something for your rig? And if so, are you happy with how it turned out?

 

– Well, I’ve fabricated a few things on my rig.

 

And so far, it’s like everything else you do. You get done with it. You wanna redo a few things. So, I mean, I’m no different than everybody else. But there’s been quite a bit of stuff we’ve built for the Jeep.

 

And, you know, we always wanna do a better job after you see it. Everybody is pretty much the same way. But I think that’s part of being a Jeeper too. You have the natural, want to build or change or do something to your rig constantly no matter when you’re theoretically done. – Okay. What is this word done? I don’t know. – That’s why I said theoretically. – Could you spell it? Country of origin? I’m not sure I understand that word.

 

Awesome.

 

So, Larry, I know just, just to help us wheeling with you quite a bit.

 

Just off the top of my head, rear tire carrier, skid plates, rear trail vines. – The rear tire carrier and

 

the aluminum pullout drawer system I built for the JL

 

and the dash bar to mount all your stuff on. And yeah, I always like to keep the torch, keep the torch running. – Control arms. I remember seeing a video on that. – Control arms and… – Larry. – Yes, sir. – Did you say pull out?

 

– That’s his rear. – But I said rear first. (laughing) – Cushion, cushion. – That’s a, so I think you fabricated so much for your Jeep. You had to go get bigger springs for the rear, if I remember correctly. – Well, I did say earlier it was 6,000 pounds.

 

– She’s a hefty thief. – She’s not light. – When you do something, I don’t know, just randomly I’ll talk in my head, I’m gonna throw out something. But like, say if you have a trailer and you have a problem with the hub or whatever. You kind of want to see that really pulling up because it’s got all these tools in the back of it. – Well, we have an expert here with that. I’ll let him talk about that. (laughing) – Matt, you’re up next, it sounds like. Larry called you out there. So, what’s your fabrication experience there? – So surprisingly on the Jeep, I really normally end up identifying an aftermarket part that is gonna end up looking better.

 

I don’t wanna play, but that’s on the jail almost everything’s available, right?

 

And I think, especially about an older Jeep that I was running as a trail rig, it’d be a lot different. But yeah, so instead of fabricating, doing a drawer system and rooftop system and stuff, I fabricated the trailer last year. And that was a huge learning experience. And really that’s what it is to me. We talked earlier about doing maintenance, but it really is about like,

 

set a target on something and doing it and learning what you need to be able to do that. So like, Larry, everything Larry’s done is because he’s learned the pieces to get there and then you challenge yourself as you go. And I think that’s the fun part of being a Jeeper, right? And whether that means you’re actually fabricating a piece or replacing the piece that you broke, I guess it’s a fun part of it. – Don’t skip over what you said. You built the trailer, right? We’ve seen from ground up. So that wasn’t a white feet, just build that whole thing. It looked like it was store bought. So kudos to that build. – Oh yeah, he laid right here on the, how many times on the Zoom calls? I mean, he’d be sitting there, we welded, laid out welded together the frame of it and had to mold and form the outside walls and the roof and the curves. And we saw quite a bit of frustration. A lot of beer here.

 

(laughing)

 

There’s a lot of beer invested in that thing. It may rival the cost of the parts.

 

(laughing) – Awesome. All right, Chip, what about you? – I am more of a bolt on guy. I can’t weld.

 

I really, I don’t, I mean, outside of being creative, like how I wire stuff, like when I, where I’m out on the radio or where I’m running wires or where I’m doing those kinds of things, which might be a little bit more unique and customized to me, but I really, I don’t have the skillset to fabricate. So I’m gonna search out and one, start looking at my buddies Jeeps, right? And what they’ve had success with, just like listening to the show, I think that’s probably been one of the biggest things that I’ve gotten off the Jeep talk show is listening to what everybody’s doing and then hearing what parts have worked for them and weighing it in. Is it in my budget or is it not in my budget, right? So are you buying the high-end stuff? You buying the low-end stuff or you buy the most functional? I’m leaning towards the most functional. I look at price secondary to functionality and durability and performance, but yeah, I’m a bolt-on guy. So I’d strap on guy, whatever you wanna consider it. – Well, I mean, I think similar to that, you can be a bolt-on guy, but how many things have you had to modify after you buy it? So like just as an example, I bought brackets and stuff like that. And then, you know, I’m chopping them up. I’ve got ones where I’ve kind of had to add a piece of steel to the outside of them because I needed to extend it or whatever it is. Not really talking about getting them scratched, but modifying. – Right, so you’re still getting a cutting wheel out occasionally and shaving off part of a bumper to fit the winch in that I wanted.

 

You’re drilling an extra hole for something to mount correctly or maybe my track bar mount.

 

I didn’t upgrade the track bar mount when I upgraded my track bar. So we had to, you know, kind of play around there to get it to fit right. So yeah, you’re adapting.

 

I don’t, I guess, is that fabricating is when you’re adapting? I don’t know, maybe. – I think if you’re modifying, I mean, there’s, I mean, you can look at fabricating at the level of Larry, which I think not very many of us are at that level. – Right, no. – I mean, you kind of got to get started, right? And what I found is the more I’ve adapted parts to kind of start to work on it, the further I’m willing to adapt, you know, the more I’m willing to go in and I think that’s close enough. So now I find myself at Lowe’s looking at parts that are not related to anything at all, but saying, “Oh, I could use that if I cut this, I’ve got that,” and you kind of put it in there. – You know, it’s a big deal to me. I’ve got some inner fender flares that I have not mounted yet, but it requires nutserts, right? So now I’ve got to drill holes in my Jeep that I wasn’t gonna, you know, I really have a struggle of, you know, newer Jeep drilling holes in it to mount whatever, what, you know, if you’re mounting body armor, if you’re mounting the inner fender flares and you’re drilling and putting nutserts in, taking a drill to my Jeep is not, I mean, it made me hesitate when I put the,

 

what was it, I was mounting on the rear tailgate.

 

I guess it was just, it was a pack. It was, I think it’s Smittybilt, but it was a pack that’s got three pouches where I can hold my winch controller and a jump pack and some different things that are secured on the, but that meant I had to drill into the tailgate. And I was like, “Oh, this is permanent,” right? I’m making permanent holes in my Jeep, but it’s my Jeep, right? And hell, I just got the title today in the mail. So it’s paid for it, whatever I got, you know? So it’s a great thing. You know, just, I’m like, okay, so I’m gonna do what I wanna do because it’s my Jeep. – And not the banks anymore. That’s even better.

 

Congratulations there. So, hey, Andrew, what about you? You got the welder out every once in a while, maybe a grinder or two? – I like to classify as Southern engineering. (laughing)

 

You know, cut a little bit here, well, a little bit there, you know, measure twice, but still do damn short, you know? – Go back to Lowe’s. – Yeah, go back to Lowe’s, you know? That’s my kind of fabrication. I mean, yeah, I can absolutely do it, but you know, I also look for the parts that you can bolt on and modify as needed for your use. I mean– – There’s a lot of engineering that goes into that aftermarket. So, I mean– – Yeah, exactly. – If someone else can engineer it, and I can use half the part and cut it in half, and then, you know, if I would break the part, I got the other half still, so.

 

(laughing) – All right, what about you, Chris?

 

– No, I don’t fabricate anything. I’m like Chip said, I’m a bolt-on guy.

 

Or if anybody remembers back in the day, it might be a little dated, but Chip and Larry will appreciate this.

 

– Billie Jean King was the spokeswoman for Snap-on Tools.

 

(laughing) – Okay, this is, it must be inside. I mean, Chip and Larry are laughing heavy here. What’s the joke? – They get it. – That was Woke before Woke was popular. – Exactly.

 

(laughing) – That’s identifying who’s the man or woman, right?

 

– I think I’m starting to catch it. – It’s like somebody who may have won a Special Olympics or– – No, no, no, no, John. Look up Billie Jean King and Snap-on Tools. – I will do that for the app for the show. – Not at work.

 

(laughing) – Not safe for work, so. – But no, there’s a surgery now called adedictomy. – Yeah. – It can get done, but it’s different. – Yeah, but no, I’m a bolt-on guy, just like Billie Jean King. – Just like Chip.

 

(laughing) I wanted to bring up the Billie Jean King joke when Chip was talking, but I didn’t wanna be rude.

 

– Blaine, you gotta save his man. Bring his back.

 

– So I’m kind of a combination of kind of everybody here. So I’ll do some fabrication when needed, but you know, bolt-on, especially in the Jeep world, it just seems like there’s already something made,

 

probably 10 of them, that will do what you’re trying to fabricate. And you can usually buy it, get a chip to you, and install it for cheaper, and better than what I can make it for in a lot of cases. I will say that prior to my Jeeps, I was wheeling pretty hard, a Prukav F-150.

 

And for those, there’s not as much of an aftermarket world like there are for the Jeeps. So you can get a lift kit, you can get tires, and anything from there, you’re pretty much on your own. And so like for that, I had a stock bumper on the front, but I wanted to run a winch. So I’m like, okay, I bought a winch. How the hell am I gonna get it on there? Because there was very few bumpers you can get without getting some really huge like ranch type bumpers, but for off-road. So I just built my own inside the bumper. So the bumper was still stock, but I had a 12,000 pound winch sitting inside of it. And it worked great. But it would blow people’s minds when they’d see that thing sitting there with the roller fairlead sticking out, like how the hell did you do that?

 

So, you know, you just basically, you know, get some metal and figure out a way to make it work, right? And not be afraid to break shit. – Yeah, just experiment. That’s fabrication, right? Experimenting. – Yeah, I’ve had other stuff where like I had an old Smittybilt winch once, and then when everybody started coming out with all the wireless winch controllers, I’m like, well, I want a wireless controller. And so I didn’t want to pay the ridiculous money this Smittybilt wanted to convert that to wireless. So I went to Harvard Freight and bought their cheap ass little $25 wireless controller for their winch, took apart this Smittybilt electronics and figured it all out and made them if they work.

 

(laughs) – That’s awesome. – So yeah, there’s always something you can do to make it work. It’s just how much dedication and time you want to put into it. But that’s part of the fun part of Jeepin too, is you know, you can just sit there and I enjoy working on this stuff as much as I do enjoy wheeling it, so. – Yeah, I think that’s a common theme in most Jeepers that they love tinkering, but they love making it their own, so. – Although I don’t enjoy fixing stuff that’s broken. – No, it’s not as much fun. – Modify it. – You want to put the fun parts on, not the repair parts. Awesome, all right, Garrett, you got any fabrication stories, anything you’ve done to DJ linkage repair in a parking lot or not?

 

Or anything like that? – No, I haven’t really done any welding fabrication to my current Jeeps, but when I was in high school, I took a bunch of welding classes. So I worked on my dad’s Jeep, and then a guy that we were friends with had an off-road shop and he would sell like eight eights with a swap, truss swaps on him, and I weld on them for him and stuff like that. But I haven’t done anything to my current Jeeps that I’ve had. – All right, Travis, what about you? – Yeah, buddy.

 

– My part. I mean, lights and electrical, thousand times over. I’ve figured out ways to do and what to do. I mean, to YJ, I’ve done a lot of work because I’ll see new items for new Jeeps and I get jealous of it. Therefore, I figure out a way to build it, make it happen. Is it welding? No, it’s never welding, I can’t weld. But if it’s bolting, metal bending, if it’s things along that to make things fit, I’m gonna figure it out and make it happen.

 

That stoplight that I currently paid ungodly amounts for from Oracle for my third brake light behind the rear spare tire, I made one out of a pizza pan at one time. I’d seen it one time somewhere. I mean, talking on the talk show, just search and Jeep forums and everything else, I saw that brake light. I built one and the next thing I know, the world, everybody and their moms got it, including myself.

 

But it’s just, I put under dash cameras or under vehicle cameras based on

 

what was truck night in America. They were running over logs and they had to just mount and balance and make sure they didn’t fall off. I’m like, I wanna do this for the trail just in case I ever need it. Do I need it or need it? No, I don’t. But I’m gonna fabricate, make anything electrical.

 

Hearing him say, it took a Smittybilt or a Harbor Freight wireless wind setup. I’m like, I wanna do that to my Smittybilt when some of my watch ain’t out. It just, you hear things, you can do it. There’s nothing limiting anyone.

 

The ForexE, now hadn’t done a damn thing. I did, I bought limb risers. I was gonna buy them and I went to Home Depot, I actually went to Lowe’s and priced out everything to do it. And I was like, yeah, no, I don’t wanna do this. I can buy them on Amazon for 40 bucks. So I went and bought some, but again, it was tap sets. I didn’t wanna tap set. So I was like, what can I do? And I got some ground screws. That’s ground screws into aluminum, but they’re holding solid as shit. If they rip out, I’m gonna find that one hit a limb. But right now, I’m like, they are tight set. I’m gonna drill in, I’m gonna do whatever I gotta do to my Jeep.

 

It’s just, yeah, make it yours, do what you wanna do, have fun. – Absolutely. – Did you run limb risers on your YJ? – No, on the YJ, no, on the ForexE, yes. – So, a lot of people look at limb risers and they’re like, they equated to like a snorkel for discussion, right? You’re like, okay, so is this a wanna be off-roader? Is this a mall crawler with limb risers on it? Why? But if you’re– – I very much agree. – If you’re running through woods, that’s huge. And unless people are running through tight woods, you’re running Moab, you don’t need limb risers. But you’re running out through Uari, you’re running through the Badlands, you’re running out East in AOA or Ouch Creek, some of these areas. Limb risers actually save a lot of scratches, a lot of dings, potentially your windshield.

 

– I think that goes to, when we’ve talked in the past, we try to talk about specifically what we would recommend to someone else, but that’s almost an impossible thing to do on a national level, right? You really gotta talk about kind of what you did and the choices you made and kind of why, because wheeling is so different. Like you said, Southeast wheeling to West Coast wheeling, I mean, they’re so different. And what you need to do to wheel in both areas is gonna vary greatly. I mean, you can make an all-around rig for sure. That’s called a factory Jeep. I mean, a factory Jeep is pretty dang capable at an all-around scenario. So when you start modifying, you’re kind of modifying it for your specific type of weight. So, all right, Mike, you’re gonna round us out here. What you, you got anything that you’ve done any kind of fabrication work with?

 

– Not a whole lot.

 

I have a JK, so, wow, that stuff is mainly bolt-on. There’s like a lot of the newer ones are,

 

a lot more popular and have more options on bumpers and everything else. There too, one, the auto models where you don’t really have the selection and all that.

 

So a lot of it’s, for me, a lot of it’s not bolt-on. – Yeah, I think that a lot of the fabrication really comes down to the availability, the aftermarket support. And a lot of our newer rigs definitely have a quite a bit more aftermarket support than a lot of the older rigs. So you talk to someone with, I don’t know, a quad-gab F-150, they’re gonna have a lot more fabrication experience just because they’ve had to. It’s a necessity item, so, absolutely.

 

– And that’s the YJ. I mean, the YJ, anything I want that I want to adjust, build, or do, I had to, I’d buy a new product

 

and then I would have to adjust. And again, that’s why I like that brought up. You have to adjust it to fit an older model Jeep. Everything can be done on those old Jeeps. My YJ, I wanted CMM mirrors before he designed and built those for those. And I wanted upper raised mirrors because I saw it on a JK and I was like, I like that design, I like what it is. I fabricated and maked it.

 

I wanted a, what was one thing I love? My flagpole mount. And I wanted it built and designed like one I’d seen on a JK. And I was like, I’m gonna build this, I’m gonna make it. You know, it’s just, you see something, you like it, you can figure it a way out because the Jeeps have it, they’ve changed a lot over the years engine wise, but body dynamics haven’t that much to where something can’t be adjusted, can’t be fabricated slightly majority wise. I mean, it can be fabricated, it can be done to fit and work.

 

– Yep, absolutely. – I think everybody needs to look at doing a passenger side under dash cam like Travis’s idea.

 

– Just go post the video online.

 

– Only fans, baby, make some money. (laughing) – All right.

 

All right, so that’s the show today. Just to kind of add in a little bit there at the very end, I’ll do a little bit of translation for that Deep Southern speak you heard. So when Travis said I’ve maked it, he meant he made it. So just everybody was curious about that. So that was it for tonight’s episode. Hopefully you didn’t mind me substituting it here for Tony and the format change up just a little bit. Next week, Tony will be back. He’ll be back in charge. He’ll be back running the show. And I think all of us will be happy, right? Glad to have Tony back. So I wanna say thanks again to Trails Off Road for sponsoring this episode.

 

Support the sponsors that support the show. Make sure you get out there and visit trailsoffroad.com and take advantage of that big discount. And like I said before, Patreon will get you a good discount and always love the subscriptions. Thanks again, everybody. And we’ll catch you next time.

 

– You’re my friend. You’re my new friend. (laughs)

In this episode of the Round Table John Lee hosts the Round Table.  Get a new and interesting take on the Round Table. You can join the Round Table recording on Tuesdays 7:30pm CT  by going to https://jeeptalkshow.com/roundtable pass jeep #jeeptalkshow #jeep #jeeplife #jtschicchat

The Zoom People remember the Jeep Talk Show from episode 1 to episode 999!  This Thursday we publish our 1,000th episode! Very active, very fun Round Table episode! #jeeptalkshow #jeep #jeeplife #jtschicchat

On tonight’s episode we’ll be asking you…

What is the one purchase for your Jeep you hid from a significant other? If you could go back in time and advise yourself, what “halfway” upgrades would you say to skip, go straight to the best components instead? #jeeptalkshow #jeep #jeeplife #jtschicchat

On tonight’s episode we’ll be asking you…

Name a Lie that Jeep Owners Say. Who had the most impact on the modern Jeep, Daimler, Fiat, or Stellantis? #jeeptalkshow #jeep #jeeplife #jtschicchat