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Hi, I’m Tony. I’m your host for tonight’s round table episode. We have four questions to ask you tonight and I’ll be calling on you by name. So have that clicker ready to unmute. And when I say clicker, I mean, it could be your mouse pointer. I mean, it could be your finger if you’re on a phone. I don’t know what you guys are using. Just the thing you use to click the unmute button. So you know who you are. And maybe we should have people check in whenever they’re going to the bathroom because I’ll call on people and they’re not there. Of course, they just could be nervous. You know, you can submit your questions for the round table. Just go to JeepTalkShow.com slash contact to find out how. All right, here we go. Hello, Zoom people.

 

Good evening. Hello. Hello.

Good evening. Hello, hello, hello. How are you doing?

Count Chacula. What up? Count Chacula. One, two, three. I, two, three. Speaking of one, let’s start off with this first question. Oh, I forgot to send Greg a text message to remind him to get on. Somebody send Greg a message. Send Chuck a message too.

Oh, we need Greg on.

Oh yeah.

We really need him on right now.

Oh, I know. I heard.

 

(Laughing)

Door pocket update.

 

All right, so this was the one I was gonna use last week, but we didn’t get to get to it. And of course we’ve got four questions, but who knows if we’ll actually get to the four questions. We do pretty good to get to just two of them, which is not a bad thing. This means that you guys are very interactive and do a lot of talking, which is the fun. That’s the reason why the listeners are here to listen to you guys. All right, so the first question, Toyota has announced no more ICE vehicles. And I’ll remind everybody that’s internal combustion engine, all hybrid electric.

 

And my question, this is a statement. This is my question. If Jeep follows in their footsteps, are you sticking with Jeep? Are you gonna buy a hybrid or an EV in the future if Jeep goes the same direction as Toyota? And what do you think about Toyota doing this? So let’s start with, let me see, Steve-O was complaining I didn’t call on him. Let’s start with Steve-O.

(Steve Laughs)

I don’t know where that came from, but anyway.

It came from the chat earlier.

 

Oh, anyway.

 

So if this is the first I’m hearing about, I guess I’ve had my head in the sand recently, but I wouldn’t be hard pressed to go

 

without a question at this point. I think that might not be a choice, unfortunately.

Yeah.

But then I would start looking shopping around, going out in Arizona, buying some old Jeeps.

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking.

You gotta imagine the price is gonna go through the roof.

 

Well, it certainly should go up. I mean, you’re talking about two drive systems at that point. And I think we already know that the four by ease are kind of pricey now.

So-

 

Well, I mean in the fact that it can, at a combustion engine, trying to find one.

Oh, I missed it. Yeah, of course. Yeah, if you’re going to get a used vehicle with the, without having to do the hybrid thing, you’re right that the prices are gonna go up on that.

 

That would start hoarding us.

So I gotta ask Matt. Matt, what do you think about hybrids? Would you stick with Jeep if the only thing they had to sell was a hybrid?

 

How much of it is the government paying for?

(Steve Laughs)

 

Government and quotations.

Well, it depends on who gets elected this next time because Trump has said he’s gonna do away with the tax credits for electric vehicles.

Yeah, I mean, we wouldn’t have gotten the four by way we have if the $7,500 off didn’t exist.

 

Wasn’t a non four by E cheaper even after the $7,500 credit?

So when we got ours in 21,

 

it was pretty much neck and neck, two liter and a four by E after the $7,500 tax credit were about the same price.

 

And I picked on you on this because I know that you really like your four by E. You really haven’t had any issues where you don’t care for it. I mean, you don’t drive it in straight EV mode very far, but it helps on your gas mileage

and so on and so forth. For very far in straight EV. Exactly.

 

15 miles.

 

You can get 25 if you milk it.

 

Plug in your USB charger.

 

I just can’t steer very well if it’s being milked. Hey Greg, we’re gonna put a stop to the show here. I wanna get you and a door pockets customer together.

 

Oh no. Bill. Well, hold on, hold on like

30 minutes.

 

I’ll listen, but I’m walking into a party store. So you guys can

hear me buy cigarettes. What kind of party store?

 

The one on the corner from my house.

 

(Laughing)

Oh, we can- Is it a other party store?

It can be quick, right? Do you wanna wait or you wanna just let it know now?

Let’s wait.

All right, we’ll wait for you, Greg. You’ll probably need your smokes for this one.

Oh, wait.

 

(Laughing)

I’m so excited. I got the titty box. We started shipping last week and I’ve

had five problems so far, five. Thanks.

 

(Laughing)

 

And I’ll tell you what, trying to put out those fires, because one, I feel bad. And a couple of the issues were 100% due to shipping.

 

We used the wrong tape, so it literally lost hardware facts.

 

All that fun stuff.

Well, that’s part of the fun.

Another guy, he ordered two front sets and we only shipped them one front set. So that’s another, you know, it’s all the little things. Hold on, I’m walking into the store here.

Hey, honey.

How are you doing today?

Good, how are you?

Good. Give me all your money.

 

(Laughing)

Luckily, you’re only in my ear and they can’t hear you. How are you doing?

This will be used in the trial.

 

(Laughing)

 

I don’t know what you’re all giggling about, but it’s not funny.

 

(Laughing)

It is us.

Oh man. Anything else, honey?

That’s it.

 

Go ahead.

Did you get a phone number?

 

No.

Greg, if you’re gonna keep putting up with all these guys, you might as well grab some beer while you’re in there.

(Laughing)

Yeah, I’m not a beer drinker though, so. Thank you so much.

You can start tonight.

 

No, no, thank you.

(Laughing)

 

All right, well, we’re gonna be talking to Greg here in a few minutes, so I’m gonna move over to, Matt, were you done? Were you done with the four by E? I guess you could live with a four by E Jeep in the future, depending on the tax credit, I think, is what I got from you.

Well, I mean, I think that’s the determination on the purchase. I mean, we didn’t really do it just for the fuel mileage or anything, and realistically, out of the 55,000 miles we have on it, probably maybe 10% electric or less.

 

So, I mean, there’s definitely some, we’ve done a lot of long trips and it is not the, it’s not the preferred vehicle for either long trips or towing, it fails on both those fronts, though.

 

Now, I had some really good luck doing a couple of long trips with the JTE.

 

I would put it in E save, which still uses the electric motor, just barely uses it. And as long as I went like below 65 miles an hour, it got amazing range.

 

But you gotta drive like, you know, a fancy at below 65 miles an hour. Mm-hmm, no. Been on the trailer?

 

(Laughing)

No, that was driving it. Like I went from, you know, we did,

 

posted it Vegas to Moab and made it almost clean, almost the entire trip without stopping for fuel once.

I’m helping them to sell them.

 

Well, we were going, I mean, we were going slow.

So, We were going slow. That’s the difference. I mean, it’s going slow. You know, I just, I just drove, and Matt just drove, both of us, just went to the Smoky Mountain Deep invasion and back. And, you know, one tank of gas, I didn’t get there from Charlotte to, you know, three and a half or four and a half hours away. One tank of gas did not make it.

 

You know, it, but I wasn’t driving slow.

There we go, I was just gonna ask.

I was gonna be 75.

Yeah.

 

Well, Travis, you’re a good one to ask because you currently have a four by E. If a hybrid was your only choice for a future Jeep, would you stick with Jeep or would you go with a used Jeep? Or maybe you would look for somebody else, maybe somebody else that was still selling vehicles with internal combustion engines.

 

Well, it’s got an internal, it’s got a nice engine. So I like that, but I’ve got two Jeeps. I’ll never get rid of the old one. It’s back home. I’m gonna always have ice. I like a lot of the features and a lot of, I like a lot about this technology. I like it.

 

I like, you know, a V8. I like, you know,

 

the 392 better.

 

There is a lot of like more, but it was that tax credit. It was that buying purchase point that sold me on it. I’m getting a lot of power for a reduced price. And that was it. I didn’t buy it for a gas saving vehicle. I didn’t buy it for, you know, yeah, it’s convenient. I can go to the grocery store and back and it’s free. I say free, it’s, you know, 20 cents of electric range or electric charge to me. You know, it’s great for short little runs and different things, but the reality of people buying it or the company selling it as a convenient vehicle, it’s truly, it’s not.

 

There’s a lot of pop perks and plositives to it, but for how they market it, I disagree with a lot of points. I was selling them. I realized that and I drove one for two weeks. And then I was like, yup, nope, I’ll do it. I understood what it was. And it’s also a Jeep. I didn’t buy a Jeep for gas saving. I didn’t buy it for the powered Scott, but I was just like, damn it. I can’t turn this down. It’s impressive.

I think Jeep did a good job.

What happens when you have to replace the $15,000 battery?

 

It turns into an ice. Yeah, it turns into an ice. But you know, if that happens before the 10 years or the nine years, it’s got,

 

that’ll be fun. And I hope it goes out before the nine years.

I hope it goes out at eight years and four months so that you get a freebie.

Yeah, correct. You and I both.

Until they go, oh wait, you’ve got bigger tires and you’ve got this. So now your warranty is employed.

And then you just say Magnus and Mossack. I’m not gonna avoid it for that. Then your lawyers.

I know. Yeah, I’ve got my warranty. Well, I’m warranty through Jeep knows I have all this equipment on it. And they’re, yep, it’s covered, it’s good.

 

I think what I would look at it, so if you had to pay, call it 10 grand extra or something a little more than that, I would, I personally would rather have, get a three six and put a blower on it as long as they don’t have the same experience that Roger had.

 

What’s the savings? I mean, what’s the average battery last, 10 years you say? So in 10 years, would you save enough in 10 years on a fuel to buy another battery?

They don’t know if the battery is gonna last 10 years cause they couldn’t test them that long. I look at the Tesla’s and stuff, they’re getting three to five years on a battery and they’ve got a really nice one. So they don’t know.

Five years gonna save you enough.

Yeah, but luckily they offered that warranty, right? So with that 10 year warranty, it’s a win-win. And honestly, if you’re allowed to plug in at work, it’s a win-win because it’s not spinning your electric meter at home.

 

And honestly, the power to rate ratio, the things are amazing to drive, they really are. So I’m not gonna knock them that much, but I’m on pins and needles,

 

throw it back to Bill and figure out what’s wrong.

 

(Laughing)

All right, so we’re gonna switch back to the door pocket woes

 

and Bill was complaining before you got joined in here, Greg. Bill, take it away.

 

No, so first I’ll say like the quality of the door pockets is awesome. Oh, they’re gorgeous. Like better than expected, like the texture, everything, you got it just right. So I was pretty excited. I kind of got the, you know, 730, I opened the box. I’m like, I’m gonna install these when I’m listening to the show. And then I’m missing my hardware and my instructions. So maybe mine was one of those where it slipped out of the box or something and shipping, but anyway.

 

Text me your info.

Yeah.

 

And I will priority overnight use some instructions and some hardware and a big fat apology.

 

No, like I said.

 

So we learned and I have, so now this is six. But we’ve had three with no hardware. We had one box that was opened and delivered empty. Wow. They delivered the box empty.

That was nice of them.

Yeah. Here’s what you didn’t get.

 

Right?

 

So we’re learning, like I’m looking at tape right now, switching from, so right off rip, like today, they were double taping. So they were wrapping it all the way around twice.

 

I’m looking at the, like that cardboard tape that has the– Yeah,

it’s got like the strings and stuff in there.

Yeah, and the downfall with that is

 

that’s gonna cost another 40 cents a box.

 

Wow. To use that tape, because it’s expensive.

I would just take the hit on the five or six that does don’t make it.

 

Is there a happy medium between the extreme super tape and the–

Obviously mine got here just fine.

I don’t, and that’s the problem is I don’t know, right? So I’ve just been basing my experience on the eight dozen packages that show up here in my shop every week. And looking at all of them, like since Monday, I’ve had, I don’t know, 20 boxes show up. And out of those 20 boxes, only one of them didn’t have that cardboard tape. So I think, I mean, even Amazon has their own made with their own label on it, right? And the reason that companies use it is because it works better. So maybe the paying extra for it and the machine is expensive, right? So you buy this little machine and when you pull the tape through, it wets it. So the bottom of it has,

 

you fill it with water and when you pull the tape through, it wets the bottom of it, which activates the glue.

 

But yeah, it works out to be, it was like 35 to 40 cents a box.

 

But if it prevents, we shipped out 170 packages and we know of at least six issues. Well, when I priority overnight hardware, that’s gonna cost me almost more than shipping the box in the first place. So if you do that six out of every hundred boxes,

 

it’s cheaper to buy the 35 cent tape.

Yeah.

So you just got to carry some Greg.

 

I’ve hauled boxes before and I’m sure whatever you got, they didn’t make them for you. There’s a lot of times, like there’s a lot of dust on the boxes, even in between the layers of boxes. Is it possible that you just got some dirty, some dusty boxes? Cause that’ll make the tape not stick. I mean, so maybe it doesn’t make a microfiber cloth and just, after you close the disc, run a microfiber cloth across it.

Well, and the other one I’m thinking of is, when they loaded those on the FedEx truck, right?

 

FedEx truck backed up, opened his door and 60 identical boxes were all hand loaded. And then, when he got to the depot, 60 boxes were unloaded and then sorted and then put in other things and then shipped and then put in other trucks. So there’s a lot of handling. Oh yeah.

And FedEx can be pretty rough too. Some of the stuff I’ve gotten from FedEx has been.

 

So how do you, Roger, do you just back up and hit the loading dock at like 20 miles per hour with the door open? Yeah.

I was really surprised how, I’ll just mention to anybody that’s thinking about getting the door pockets. And what we’re talking about here is, Greg’s been working on these door pockets that are OEM plus quality. They replaced the saggy door nets or hopefully like mine, mine aren’t sagging yet. So I’ll be replacing them before they get saggy.

And for anybody that’s too shy to buy them right off my website, which is unofficiallyuseonly.com, within a week or two, you’ll be able to buy them from Northridge 4×4.

Oh, that’s awesome. Oh yeah.

 

We’re gonna ship out two or three pallets of them to Northridge first of the week.

 

So anyway, their door pockets, front and rear doors, I think you can buy them separately now if you just want the fronts for like a two door.

 

But it replaces the nets and several people here and the team members and listeners have ordered the door pockets and installed them.

 

So everybody’s loving them. I called Greg today when I received, actually yesterday when I received mine. Because you can see pictures of the stuff, but whenever you actually look at it and see the quality of it, it’s like what you were saying, Bill. They’re fantastic. I mean, they are gorgeous. I mean, it looks like somebody made these things with a $140 stamp, $140,000 stamp, which– They did.

They didn’t make it with $140,000 stamp.

Of course, that’s how it was made.

 

Also– I know where your hardware is. Also for new Jeep owners and new listeners,

 

they do work with the 2024 with the electric seats. So it’s the only door pocket

 

or the only net replacement available on the market that works with the 2024 electric seats.

And how much they cost?

 

For a complete set of four is 150 bucks. So half the cost of my competition.

Damn cheap. And I think you said the shipping’s like 20 bucks or something.

 

Yeah, right now we, because we’re learning the website woes, which is not a fun thing for a guy who doesn’t computer.

 

Right now, shipping is a flat 20 bucks anywhere in the country, but we will change that basically. Once we have shipments to every state, we can go in the website and tell it that it’s this much for this state or this much for that state.

 

And you’re only shipping to the 48 states, the mainland of the United States, right? You’re not doing Alaska– No, we’ll actually ship.

 

Yeah, well, no, we’ll ship anywhere, but there is, it’s not 20 bucks if you want it to Alaska or it’s not 20 bucks if you want it to Hawaii. Okay, good.

 

Case in point, we have a couple of customers in Australia, one of who listens to this show, but I still haven’t called him because every time I look, it’s like three in the morning there.

 

But to ship one box to him is $200 a box.

 

Oh my God.

You can use the good tape.

 

Right, yeah. And I definitely want the good tape.

 

And we had a couple orders in China, which we actually refunded their money because when we Google Earth did it, it was a plastics building. So it was a manufacturing facility that ordered them.

 

So we just refunded their money.

 

But yeah, so and we’ve got a guy in Calgary and it was, I think $80 to ship to him.

So– It’s just amazing. I’ve had this situation when people, and I’m just so honored when people, and I’m sure you are too, Greg, when somebody wants to buy your stuff, I mean, they just want a Jeep talk show sticker, England. And I think it was gonna be like 40 bucks to send a sticker. And I said, hey, I’d love for you to have it, get a picture there in the jolly old state of England. Yeah, I say state.

So for those are the people on the show who got them, what did you, did you like the sticker? Because I put some extra effort into that sticker.

 

I didn’t get that either.

 

(Laughing)

It’s a nice sticker.

 

Oh, that’s great.

 

So that– Funny of all you would have got was just the hardware, Bill, that would have been funny.

Like normally, you know, dealing with the aftermarket and dealing with all these things, you know, like I get faces of stickers.

 

And traditionally I was looking at all the different stickers once somebody on the Jeep talk show mentioned that I needed stickers. And that was just a few weeks ago. I looked at the normal stickers and I could make

 

kind of like the stickers we gave away at SEMA. I could make those stickers and they would have cost me about eight cents a piece, which is your standard everyday sticker that everybody gives out. And I didn’t want to do that. I wanted something a little higher class. Now those stickers are UV stable. So they are designed to go on the outside of a vehicle, but you can see they’ve got that resin topping. So it’s kind of like a bubble. And I know Chuck hates them, but it’s a TV stable. It’s supposed to last on the outside of the car for the life of the car. They’re supposed to be really high end. And those things cost me like a buck. I think they were a buck 18 a piece instead of six or seven cents that I would have spent on a normal sticker. So I really want your guys’ feedback because you guys are the ones that told me to put a sticker in the box. So if you dig it, I’ll keep running that sticker. If you don’t dig it, I’ll go to a cheaper version or something different.

 

I like the sticker.

 

Man, I almost seemed to get buck 18 just to get one of the stickers.

I was looking at the door pockets. I mean, I kind of saw the sticker on there and I did notice that it wasn’t just a standard die cut sticker,

 

but yeah. I mean, either one would have been fine. I just wanted something with the logo on it. Fortunately, Bill had sent me one to go on the board behind me that you guys can’t see tonight. All right, well, let’s get off of this for right now. I’d like to welcome Gina. I think it’s Gina’s first time here.

 

And as always, they’re probably the last time, but we appreciate you being here this time, Gina.

(Laughs)

Not yet, not as scared me yet.

 

(Laughs)

So. Yes, you wait.

So, as I was asking everybody, the Toyota has announced no more ICE vehicles, all hybrid electric. If Jeep goes to all hybrid electric vehicles, are you done with Jeeps, buying Jeeps in the future?

 

Help me? Yes. Uh, I don’t, probably.

How do you, what do you think about EVs? I mean, do you mind the EVs? You think they’re a good idea?

I have no experience with any of them. Of course, you know, for the environment and stuff, I can see the pros and cons of it, or the pros of it, but I myself, I never even considered

 

doing the electric vehicles. My dad was a mechanic, so I always grew up being able to work on my own. So the internal combustion was one thing that I just, I know it, so I’m gonna stick with whatever I want, or whatever I know I can work on if I get broke down in the middle of nowhere, and then I can fix it and still get home.

Mm-hmm.

 

Very good. Again, welcome to us here. We hope we see you here every week.

Tony asked me. Tony asked me.

 

(Both Laughing)

 

So I get this feeling, Greg. I’m like Travis. Greg would like to answer the question about the Toyota, no more ICE vehicles.

 

Yeah, so there’s one, I was pretty certain that Toyota was working on a hydrogen platform, but maybe not. So I know a lot of the other companies are working on a hydrogen platform, which is still an ICE vehicle, but if Jeep went pure electric or pure hybrid,

 

I apologize profusely. I would just keep buying. I love Jeep. I love the brand. I love everything about it, but I would just buy old used ones. Yeah. I don’t want an electric one for two reasons.

 

One, if I needed to drive across the country, I don’t, I’m always in a hurry. You know, I’m a small business owner and I’m always in a hurry. So I can’t stop, you know, like I’m going from here to Moab, I can’t stop and wait six hours for my battery to charge or three hours or two hours or whatever.

I’ll drive 60 miles an hour to get there on a tank of gas and go take twice as long.

Right, I don’t want to take twice as long. I want to break every law. I want to do 85 to 90 across the interstate. And I want to fill up in four minutes. I don’t want to plug in and wait for two hours for it to charge. So that’s step one. Step two, when I built the JTE for Quadratec and we took that death battery out of the four by E

 

and we affectionately nicknamed it the death battery because we had to orden off 10 feet around the vehicle when we disconnected the battery because it can discharge that range. So if somebody was within 10 feet, it could kill them with the discharge because it’s a hundred percent discharge in less than a minute when it’s not plugged in.

 

And that’s a lot of amps running through your body. So that’s the second one. And the third one is, and I hate to say it because Gina just said it, but if you do any research, you will see that the manufacturing process for the current batteries is so much worse

 

on the environment than a gas engine.

 

The manufacturing process for those batteries,

 

I think you could drive 60 or 70,000 miles in your car before you’re even close to net zero.

 

So they really are worse for the environment than your average commuter car.

Yeah, smoke and mirrors.

 

Yeah, it’s a lot of smoke and mirrors. And that’s the hard part is you have to look to find that information.

 

The lithium ion mines are just absolutely destructive and disgusting and they’re using so much diesel and then the manufacturing process is even worse. So look at Chuck, right? Chuck keeps walking around and making noise. If you look in his garage, he’s got the CJ6, he’s got a couple old Jeeps. Those things are so much greener than any modern car because they’re still driving. They’re still on the road. They’re still in service 15, 16, 70 years later. Once you put all the computers in them– Not the scrambler.

Not the scrambler.

Well, yeah, not currently.

 

(Laughing)

But once you put all the computers in them, the lifespan of the vehicle is so much shorter, right? People are kind of used to buying a vehicle in two or three or four years later, they get another one.

 

Where old cars, if you maintain them, stay alive for a really long time.

 

And you’re not mining the metal, you’re not mining all the other stuff to make a new car. That one’s already been there. So the longer it

lasts, the cleaner it is.

 

Yeah, the longer it lasts, the cleaner it is. I mean, on this show, I got rid of my 1936 Studebaker that was still running and driving after almost 100 years. So,

 

I mean, that’s a very long answer, but it touches each individual point. I love Jeep and I will not stop owning and loving Jeeps until the day I die, but I would not buy an electric Jeep. I just wouldn’t do it.

Well, I guess also too, there’s always a possibility of dropping in a nice engine in a hybrid electric vehicle. I mean, you can always get a crate engine and do it the way you want to do it, as long as the government allows us to do those things, which I know that this part of what SEMA is trying to call attention to is the ability for us to work on our vehicles.

Yeah, did you watch the video?

I did not see it. Chris, he said something about it today, but I was busy working on stuff, but I didn’t know it was out.

Yeah, so I filmed a video for SEMA and it talks about the Biden-Harris EV mandate.

 

I mean, people need to actually download the EV mandate and read the entire thing so that they understand versus just watching a one minute video. But no, the video has been posted for a couple of days. I posted it on my own personal wall on Facebook

 

and Driving Force on Facebook actually posted it. That’s SEMA’s thing.

 

But just like normal things, Zuckerberg is already limiting the reach of these videos.

 

So they’re doing paid sponsorship. They’re sending it all over Michigan. It’s even on the radio stations, but on Facebook, they’re already limiting the reach. So I shared it. Normally when I share something,

 

I get a lot of views because I get a lot of people to follow my stuff and nobody’s seen it. There’s only been like four or five comments on the video in two days. So yeah, it’s a pretty good video. I dig it, but I actually did the research. When they asked me to do it and they told me they wanted me to talk about the EV mandate,

 

I gave them a hesitant, I need to look into it. And I did, I read that entire EV mandate and it took me hours because it’s a lot of pages.

 

And it’s pretty disgusting. Like they really wanna force the EV mandate

 

and they wanna completely ban the auto manufacturers from making stuff, but also hidden inside that EV mandate are things that really affect my business. And hidden inside of it, it says that as of a certain year, you’re not allowed to make aftermarket modifications to your personal vehicle, even if you own it outright. They’re trying to make it illegal for us to modify our vehicles.

 

Well, I’m gonna look for that video. I’m just kind of scanning your Facebook page right now.

Yeah, it’s like almost the last thing I posted on Facebook. You have to go to my personal Greg Henderson one and

you should be able to find it. I was on a future use only. All right.

Now I say that I’m the owner of unofficial use only, but I have not shared it to unofficial use only yet because I’m honestly hesitant for the blowback. Oh yeah.

 

I’m hesitant for the people that, because I don’t say vote for Trump. I don’t say any of that. I say vote against the EV mandate.

 

As if you actually read it, you know why I would wanna vote against it. Oh yeah. But I’m hesitant to post it on unofficial use only because there are already people saying, you’re gonna hurt your business by doing this. And on one regard, I don’t really care, but on the other regard, I do a little bit. This is my business and my livelihood.

You gotta be a smart businessman. We all can’t live like Chuck does. Speaking of Chuck, Chuck, I don’t see you, I mean, it took you this long to get a new Jeep. If they go hybrid electric, are you gonna stop buying Jeeps in the future?

Yeah.

 

Yeah, anytime a government tells you that you have to do something, it’s not for your best interest. It’s for the government’s best interest. So I’m good not doing what they tell me to. That’s me.

 

Yeah, I mean, I think that the battery power thing, probably the future, right? I mean,

 

more than likely that’s what’s gonna happen in due time and I’m not against that. I love innovation. I love outside of the box thinking.

 

I mean, look at what Elon’s doing with space travel. I absolutely love it. But when it’s shoved down your throat, there’s a hidden agenda. I used to work for the government. So we used to do shit that you find out, like, yeah, that’s not for the betterment of the country. It’s a betterment of a politician, right? Yeah, that’s sad. I don’t do it. And to caveat off of what Greg was saying,

 

we buy new trucks every two years and all the diesels, they have diesel exhaust fluid, right? Which is a smog deal. Boy, they only run 70,000 miles before you have to do a complete death clean out, which is six, seven, $8,000 here.

 

Well, what are they doing? They’re just getting more money. Because you pay more money, you gotta have more taxes.

 

And it’s the same thing with this whole EV thing.

 

They’re just doing it to get more taxes. You’re just gonna have to buy more batteries, just like with the diesel. The government, the EPA has really screwed everything up and made it really hard for us to run them. I got old, my seven three, it’s a 1996 seven three, runs top notch,

 

way better than my 2023.

Chuck,

 

I’ve got a question. Because you do a lot of trucks. And I have very limited experience, but I used to get to drive a truck and it was a,

 

was it a 2006 Dodge Ram mega cab with the 32 valve coming.

 

And it was a stick shift. And that truck going to Boeing, Boeing two Jeeps got like 23 miles to the gallon.

 

Last year I went and I rented a brand new 2023 Dodge Ram to tow to Moab. And I got nine miles to the gallon.

 

And I had to put Def in it. You know, do most of the old trucks get way better fuel mileage than the new ones too, in your experience?

 

Yeah, because they’re tuned for power, right? Optimum power.

 

And optimum power means that you’re gonna burn all of the fuel that’s going through it, right? Because if you don’t have optimum power, that’s unused fuel and that’s just unused,

 

there’s a lot of oil things that go through the diesels.

 

And they just don’t run as nice. Once they started computerizing them, and really when the death system happened, like my Peter built a 2007, and that’s the last year of a non-def semi truck. And I run circles around everybody else and I use half the fuel now, Roger’s gonna be on here and he’s got a very beautiful

 

2010, 2011.

 

And you know, he’s got more horsepower than I do.

 

The older stuff just was engineered to run because fuel just that your fuel consumption is your big deal. So I’ve got three, 23s, maybe a 22 and a 24 in there. And I run anywhere between four and nine miles per gallon. And I’m running death.

 

And my 2018, we just did some work to it where the death system is no longer needed. We did not do a delete for any of the EPA guys that are listening.

 

And it’s running way cleaner, it runs faster, less fuel. You know, just everything about it is so much better than my big red truck. I mean, I don’t know how many, you know, Jeep trips I’ve done with you guys where, you know, I show up in my 23 and it’s a great, big, beautiful red truck, but it gets four miles to the gallon and it’s gutless. Well, it goes into the shop here in two weeks. And we’re also gonna, you know, potentially make it where it doesn’t run that kind of crap, which is highly illegal.

So Chuck, I understand what you’re saying here, but we don’t like logic and facts and results. We need everything done through emotion.

 

Well, how about this? Buy round headlights and drink Coors. Fuck yeah.

 

(Laughing)

Hey Chuck, thank you very much for solidifying that for us.

 

I mean, you have a lot more experience in that realm than I do. That’s why I asked you the question because my limited experience taught me one thing, but I wanted the clarification and thank you for the explanation. That was very nice of you.

I mean, ultimately, I really believe Greg, you know, you and I chat often and Tony and I do too. Ultimately, I think, you know, battery power is going to be the future, but let it naturally progress, right?

Yeah. Because right now the technology essentially is in the dark ages for the batteries. I mean, with Elon or some of those other guys make some changes and I’m sure in a few years, we’re going to have amazing batteries, but right now they suck.

Well, the infrastructure, right? They just, it blows.

Well, and I’ve said this before, what we need is something that generates power. Kind of like when you burn gasoline, you’re not charging your vehicle with gasoline, you’re filling it up with a fluid that can be burned. So we need something along the same lines, but it creates electricity or through its process, it creates electricity and hopefully it does something that gives us a lot more range. Hell, I’d like to have a gladiator that was like a nuclear aircraft carrier where you just refill it every five to 20 years.

Mr. Fusion.

That’s right.

 

Did you see the video where like in Indonesia or someplace like that, they actually have battery charging stations for their Vespas or their little battery powered scooters where you roll up to the side, you put your old batteries in there, you put some pin number, you pay for it, you grab new batteries, stick it in your deal and keep going.

Oh, that’s a good way. It’s awesome.

Hard to do. So they’re doing that. There was a car in Japan, they’re doing that that’s hydrogen fuel cell. So you go up, you put your old fuel cell in, you take the new one out and you put it in the car and within a minute you’re back on the road and those things have like 400 miles of range on a hydrogen fuel cell. That’s about this big by about this big.

And they have something overseas where they actually,

 

the chassis was the battery. Do you literally just took the body off and put it on another chassis?

 

I don’t know what you’re talking about. That sounds stupid, Roger.

No, it was something that I saw on the top gear.

 

All right, we’ll think about that. We’ll do a little research on that while we go to John Lee. John Lee, what do you think? Hybrid electric for Rajeep? Is that, are you gonna try to keep yours for the rest of your life or maybe buy a new one in the future that’s hybrid electric?

 

No, I’ll probably keep mine.

 

I think the, I think the commuter side of the electric vehicles is actually probably a little better. And I would probably be a lot more open to that, especially for my daily commuting back and forth to work and stuff like that. But I’ll keep my Jeep for the long, long trips and when off-roading and just kind of keep it alive, I guess.

I guess you have to if you don’t wanna go with the new stuff. And at some point I kinda get the feeling that we’re old fogies. I’m not getting rid of my horse. My horse can get me home without me even telling it where to go, because she knows how to get there.

 

And I’m not against technology. I’m like Chuck and Greg. I think new technology is wonderful. But you can’t just say let’s do it. It has to be ready. I mean, I’ve made the analogy before about cell phones. Cell phones were great. They were dumb. You made phone calls on it. You might have texted on them. And then the smartphones came out. And nobody has a dumb phone anymore because the technology is just so wonderful. So that’s what we need to do with the automobiles is they need to come out with something that is just so wonderful that just doesn’t make any sense to stick with what we’re doing now.

All right, let’s– I’ll bet you within five years the batteries will have good technology. Just today they suck.

Yeah, well, and they’re a lot better than when I was a kid and even just 20 years ago. So there has been a lot of technological increases in the time, but it’s just like you say, it’s not time for it yet. All right, so let’s see. I went to Rich last year, last year, last week, it seems like last year, and he didn’t unmute. Let’s see if he’s gonna unmute this time. Rich, what do you think about hybrid electric? Is that XJ gonna be running for the next 20 years?

 

Hybrid electric, no, but I’ve considered doing an electric swap on it. If they can get the battery technology out there, I think it would be pretty cool.

Oh, it’d be a great off-road rig, wouldn’t it?

Yeah, as far as like everyday use,

 

I’m actually probably in a good spot for like a four by E, because my commute is a little under 30 miles

 

and we got a charging station right behind our shop there.

So I could

theoretically run it mostly on electric,

 

but other than that though, it’s not there yet. It’ll get there, but I’m more leaning towards the hydrogen side of things.

 

I’m more curious on where that’s gonna go.

Mm-hmm, so the people that are listening, I know that you’re, and I’m surprised Steve-O hasn’t said anything about it yet. We have dueling, and actually not even dueling, we’ve got a Quadrifonic Grasshopper Fest here. Greg has one, Chuck has one. I heard one at your place there, Rich. And I think there was one more person. Maybe it was just those three. But yeah, so if you’re hearing crickets, it’s not me playing a trick on you. The crickets at these locations were these gentlemen that have joined us tonight.

 

All right, was there anybody else that wanted to jump in on this question before we moved along?

 

Hey, this is Glenn from Louisiana. I got a couple questions. So the 4XC does not regenerate the battery? You have to plug it in when you get back home?

Yeah, it does not regenerate. Well, if you lived in the mountains and you were going downhill all day long, it does regenerate.

 

But for normal use, no, it doesn’t. The ice engine powers the vehicle just like the electric one does. So it doesn’t regenerate enough to keep it charged.

 

It does reserve about, it’s less than 1%. It’s got about 10% left in it. You can definitely juice it out, but it’s still kind of something similar to your stop-go on steroids. So it is region breaking every time you break anyways. The primary breaking system is that.

 

So you can maintain, like if you, you don’t put an e-save where it’s actually using as a generator,

 

your breaking system will bring you to a stop, shut it off, and then you’ll start out and go,

 

you have 200 yards and electric if you’re in a straight hybrid mode. So it does it to a point, but it’s not, if you have an e-save charge for long enough, you can charge the battery, but you’re talking hundreds of miles.

 

Okay, I’m both curious. I’m curious because I hate to admit it. I used to own a Prius.

 

That was a long time ago. That’s a long time ago. Like a true soldier, saving money.

 

Yeah, I used to drive 110 miles to one way to work every day. So I had to do some– 100% yeah.

 

But I will say I did lower the car, put bigger tires and other sway bars on it because I’m a racer at heart. But anyway, it’s a regenerative system, right? So when you slow down and while you’re slowing down, it would regenerate the battery and you could watch the battery go up and down. And that was all fine and dandy until that battery gave out on me and cost me $2,500 and left me on the side of the road.

Yeah.

 

Right. And then a couple of years later, I went through a second battery for another $1,800, $1,900.

 

And I was like, I saw somebody with a Prius at the fuel station. I said, get rid of it. Everything you’re saving right now in fuel economy, put all that money into another account, you’re gonna have to buy a battery.

No. No, they’re not cheap. Well, and so I drove a four by E through the pass. So through the Rockies.

 

And when I made it to the Eisenhower tunnel, so I went all the way up the hill from Grand Junction to the Eisenhower tunnel in E save. And when I got to the top, the battery was already, I think it was at like 7%.

 

And then I engaged the charge function and I went all the way downhill to Denver, only having to use the gas pedal, I think like three times.

 

And when I got all the way down to Denver, I had recharged the battery 19%.

 

So there’s not enough regenerative or regeneration to fully charge your battery.

 

Now you say that, and just me this past weekend, going over 441 from Bryson City Cherokee over to Smoky Mountain or to Pigeon Forge to the event. I left my house full charge, or my parents’ house full charge of battery. I get to Cherokee and all of a sudden Cherokee is 20 minutes away and I’m going slow. Again, this is 35 miles an hour, 45 miles an hour over the mountain.

 

I get there, I’m at zero charge. I go up the mountain in hybrid and then I come down the mountain. When I get down the mountain and I’m in Gatlinburg,

 

I had over 60% of battery from coming down the mountain. And on the way back, again, I did it and I had on my round trip, a little over 100 miles, over half of it was electrical only going downhill. I mean, no gas was used. It was, I mean, zero charge, it’s rebuilding and I’m driving down the mountain for free.

 

That’s the only time that ever happens. My daily commute, I’ll drive to work. I get 15 miles of electric range because I’m highway and back roads both.

 

And then I drive home, if I’m sitting in traffic, I may have two miles with that zero charge just from breaking and everything. I’m like, hey, I got home, I’m two miles of electric range. There are variations and do we- Yeah, there’s variations. Never push the save on.

Wait, how long does it take?

 

The biggest deal here, Greg is, Travis, you live with your parents?

No, my parents live in the mountains and I went to visit them this past weekend.

All right, just making sure, bro. Cause I thought, dude, if we need to go go fund me page for you, like we would do that.

Hey, I’ve got it. So the other one with the E save or not the E save, but the electric, because I was fortunate enough to play with one for a little bit. The one thing that bummed me out the most is the charger that they send with the car. When you buy the four by E, you get the normal wall plug. And if you drain that battery to zero, just for somebody out there who’s thinking of buying a four by E,

 

make sure you upgrade your charger because the charger that comes with the car, if you plug it in, it takes about 14 hours to go from zero to a hundred percent. So that means when you get home from work, you better plug it in so that in the morning you have a full charge again.

I got it. There’s also other unexpected expense of an electric vehicle is the cost of having a hundred amp service for a good charger installed in your home.

Yeah, if you’re not an electrician then you can do it for a hundred bucks. You’re paying three grand for an electrician to come out and do it for you.

 

When you go from the ice engine over to the electric and you’re going full electric, what do you call the gas pedal?

 

It’s still the gas pedal because if you put it all the way to the floor, the ice engine still fires up.

It’s a volume controller. It’s a volume controller.

 

It’s an accelerator pedal.

 

I want to know what all this electric talk is coming from.

I don’t have a gas pedal in any of our trucks.

It’s because not everybody has a Hemi like you Keith.

 

No, he wanted to drop that, didn’t he?

Go into bigger engines.

 

I was curious because it’s obviously not that big of a thing to, well obviously you don’t buy a Jeep or fuel economy.

 

So I didn’t know if it was like how that compared to like the diesel Jeep and fuel economy. But the other thing was you talked about the tax credit. One of the guys I work with over here, he bought a Tesla and this past year he had to pay like $2,000 to $3,500 in road taxes because he doesn’t buy fuel anymore.

What state are you in? They’re going to start doing that in all the states.

Glenn, what state are you in?

 

Louisiana. Louisiana, California just passed that deal because they pushed EV so hard. And then all Mr. Newsome just fucked everybody and said, “Oh yeah, we’re not getting fuel tax. So now you get a road tax.”

 

Yeah. Yeah.

 

How many- When he told me that I was like, damn.

 

How many tons of these used battery? I mean, because what I understand is you can’t recycle this crap.

So how many- No, they can recycle them. There’s a couple of new recycling facilities that have popped up and they can recycle them. It’s like 98% of the battery is recyclable. Okay. But it costs more than the cost of the battery to recycle it.

Yeah, shipping them to Indonesia and letting kids bury them is not recycling them, Greg.

No, there’s actually a US company that is building two giant recycling facilities and they did figure it out, but it’s so expensive. They’re just banking on the fact that the government’s going to start forcing you to recycle them, which is going to be another charge.

 

You can look at that. Wow.

There’s a lot of tons.

 

There’s the damage.

 

And the pollution of waste from the brakes and tires from the added weight, they use like 10 times more brakes and tires.

 

Well, the four by E is 800 pounds heavier than an identically equipped Rubicon. So if you take a four by E Rubicon and a regular Rubicon parked next to each other, the four by E is 800 pounds heavier. The battery is 400 pounds and then the motor and all the cooling system is the other 400. So it’s 800 pounds heavier, but it’s really down low. So it’s a…

 

Here’s something else to think about too, is that with all these heavier vehicles, I saw they were doing tests on the crash barriers on the interstates now. Oh yeah. These vehicles are just rolling through that stuff. So now you’re going to have the extra cost of upgrading all the crash safety barriers along the interstate. So where’s that money going to come from?

And the tires were faster as well because of the weight. Yeah.

Well,

 

that’s why Camilla wants to take your…

 

What the hell is it? What did they say?

 

Yeah, I screwed that one up because now I can’t even say it. Unrealized.

It’s your story, Greg.

Yeah, unrealized capital gains. Yep.

Oh God.

 

They want to tax unrealized capital gains.

Yeah, they want to tax you money you don’t have.

If your property value goes up from a hundred grand to 200 grand, even though you don’t sell it, they’re going to tax you 28% on the new value of your house. This is California. This is exactly why I left. No, she’s trying to push it. She’s trying to push it nationwide.

No, he’s saying things.

They already do it. This is the same shit that they did. Mom and dad bought their house.

Did you just say they already passed it nationwide?

 

No. Oh. No.

But it’s all assets, not just your home. It’s anything you own.

Stock included.

Yeah. Yeah. Anything. Even to…

 

So basically if you finish up your scrambler and you make it, you know, right now it’s worth 500 bucks. If you finish it and it’s now worth 20 grand, you have to pay…

 

Yeah, but once you finish it and it’s worth, you know, 30 grand, you’re going to have to pay tax on it because it went up in value while it was in your possession.

You don’t ever say that the scrambler’s only worth $500, Greg. That thing has got a nice winch on it.

 

All right, 675.

 

All right, well, the Zoom meeting continues on even after we stop recording. You should be here to enjoy it, not only during the recording of the show, not even after the recording of the show, but before the recording of the show because we start at the Zoom meeting about 7.30 p.m. Central time. You can get in here and introduce yourself or maybe get a conversation going. And then I will very rudely interrupt you at 8 p.m. Central time to record the show.

 

See, I think it was last week. There were two people left in the Zoom room when I walked through the office here, the studio, and it was one o’clock in the morning. And I think it was Bob and Mike. We’re still talking. One o’clock in the morning. There’s nothing wrong with that. You can stick, hang around the Zoom meeting as long as you like.

 

All right, so coming up on our next Jeep Talk Show interview show, Robbie Bryant of Overlanding, or not Overlanding, Overland of America.com. This is a big, big event happening September 13th through 15th in Jay, Oklahoma. It’s a great centrally located place in the United States. This is something, this is the first one that Robbie’s doing here at Jay, Oklahoma. And it just sounds huge. You’ll have to listen to this interview just to get a feel for what I’m talking about. And this isn’t Robbie’s first rodeo. This isn’t a rodeo, but you know what I’m saying.

 

And so he’s been involved in the industry for many, many years, and now he’s doing an event. So I think, I’m a believer, I think it’s gonna be a really good event, and I think it’s gonna be a great event straight out of the gate the very first time.

 

And that brings us to the end of this exhilarating Jeep Talk Show Round Table episode. I wanna express my deepest gratitude to our incredible panel of Jeep enthusiasts for sharing their valuable insights and experiences and expertise with us today. Your passion for Jeeps is truly inspiring, and we’re grateful for your contributions.

 

So until next time, keep those Jeeps running strong, hit those trails with confidence, and remember, it’s not just a vehicle, it’s a way of life. This has been Tony hosting the Jeep Talk Show Round Table episode, and we’ll catch ya on the next ride.

 

Broadcasting since 2010.

 

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Hi, I’m Tony. I’m your host for tonight’s round table episode. We have four questions to ask you tonight and I’ll be calling on you by name. So have that clicker ready to unmute. And when I say clicker, I mean, it could be your mouse pointer. I mean, it could be your finger if you’re on a phone. I don’t know what you guys are using. Just the thing you use to click the unmute button. So you know who you are. And maybe we should have people check in whenever they’re going to the bathroom because I’ll call on people and they’re not there. Of course, they just could be nervous. You know, you can submit your questions for the round table. Just go to JeepTalkShow.com slash contact to find out how. All right, here we go. Hello, Zoom people.

 

Good evening. Hello. Hello.

Good evening. Hello, hello, hello. How are you doing?

Count Chacula. What up? Count Chacula. One, two, three. I, two, three. Speaking of one, let’s start off with this first question. Oh, I forgot to send Greg a text message to remind him to get on. Somebody send Greg a message. Send Chuck a message too.

Oh, we need Greg on.

Oh yeah.

We really need him on right now.

Oh, I know. I heard.

 

(Laughing)

Door pocket update.

 

All right, so this was the one I was gonna use last week, but we didn’t get to get to it. And of course we’ve got four questions, but who knows if we’ll actually get to the four questions. We do pretty good to get to just two of them, which is not a bad thing. This means that you guys are very interactive and do a lot of talking, which is the fun. That’s the reason why the listeners are here to listen to you guys. All right, so the first question, Toyota has announced no more ICE vehicles. And I’ll remind everybody that’s internal combustion engine, all hybrid electric.

 

And my question, this is a statement. This is my question. If Jeep follows in their footsteps, are you sticking with Jeep? Are you gonna buy a hybrid or an EV in the future if Jeep goes the same direction as Toyota? And what do you think about Toyota doing this? So let’s start with, let me see, Steve-O was complaining I didn’t call on him. Let’s start with Steve-O.

(Steve Laughs)

I don’t know where that came from, but anyway.

It came from the chat earlier.

 

Oh, anyway.

 

So if this is the first I’m hearing about, I guess I’ve had my head in the sand recently, but I wouldn’t be hard pressed to go

 

without a question at this point. I think that might not be a choice, unfortunately.

Yeah.

But then I would start looking shopping around, going out in Arizona, buying some old Jeeps.

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking.

You gotta imagine the price is gonna go through the roof.

 

Well, it certainly should go up. I mean, you’re talking about two drive systems at that point. And I think we already know that the four by ease are kind of pricey now.

So-

 

Well, I mean in the fact that it can, at a combustion engine, trying to find one.

Oh, I missed it. Yeah, of course. Yeah, if you’re going to get a used vehicle with the, without having to do the hybrid thing, you’re right that the prices are gonna go up on that.

 

That would start hoarding us.

So I gotta ask Matt. Matt, what do you think about hybrids? Would you stick with Jeep if the only thing they had to sell was a hybrid?

 

How much of it is the government paying for?

(Steve Laughs)

 

Government and quotations.

Well, it depends on who gets elected this next time because Trump has said he’s gonna do away with the tax credits for electric vehicles.

Yeah, I mean, we wouldn’t have gotten the four by way we have if the $7,500 off didn’t exist.

 

Wasn’t a non four by E cheaper even after the $7,500 credit?

So when we got ours in 21,

 

it was pretty much neck and neck, two liter and a four by E after the $7,500 tax credit were about the same price.

 

And I picked on you on this because I know that you really like your four by E. You really haven’t had any issues where you don’t care for it. I mean, you don’t drive it in straight EV mode very far, but it helps on your gas mileage

and so on and so forth. For very far in straight EV. Exactly.

 

15 miles.

 

You can get 25 if you milk it.

 

Plug in your USB charger.

 

I just can’t steer very well if it’s being milked. Hey Greg, we’re gonna put a stop to the show here. I wanna get you and a door pockets customer together.

 

Oh no. Bill. Well, hold on, hold on like

30 minutes.

 

I’ll listen, but I’m walking into a party store. So you guys can

hear me buy cigarettes. What kind of party store?

 

The one on the corner from my house.

 

(Laughing)

Oh, we can- Is it a other party store?

It can be quick, right? Do you wanna wait or you wanna just let it know now?

Let’s wait.

All right, we’ll wait for you, Greg. You’ll probably need your smokes for this one.

Oh, wait.

 

(Laughing)

I’m so excited. I got the titty box. We started shipping last week and I’ve

had five problems so far, five. Thanks.

 

(Laughing)

 

And I’ll tell you what, trying to put out those fires, because one, I feel bad. And a couple of the issues were 100% due to shipping.

 

We used the wrong tape, so it literally lost hardware facts.

 

All that fun stuff.

Well, that’s part of the fun.

Another guy, he ordered two front sets and we only shipped them one front set. So that’s another, you know, it’s all the little things. Hold on, I’m walking into the store here.

Hey, honey.

How are you doing today?

Good, how are you?

Good. Give me all your money.

 

(Laughing)

Luckily, you’re only in my ear and they can’t hear you. How are you doing?

This will be used in the trial.

 

(Laughing)

 

I don’t know what you’re all giggling about, but it’s not funny.

 

(Laughing)

It is us.

Oh man. Anything else, honey?

That’s it.

 

Go ahead.

Did you get a phone number?

 

No.

Greg, if you’re gonna keep putting up with all these guys, you might as well grab some beer while you’re in there.

(Laughing)

Yeah, I’m not a beer drinker though, so. Thank you so much.

You can start tonight.

 

No, no, thank you.

(Laughing)

 

All right, well, we’re gonna be talking to Greg here in a few minutes, so I’m gonna move over to, Matt, were you done? Were you done with the four by E? I guess you could live with a four by E Jeep in the future, depending on the tax credit, I think, is what I got from you.

Well, I mean, I think that’s the determination on the purchase. I mean, we didn’t really do it just for the fuel mileage or anything, and realistically, out of the 55,000 miles we have on it, probably maybe 10% electric or less.

 

So, I mean, there’s definitely some, we’ve done a lot of long trips and it is not the, it’s not the preferred vehicle for either long trips or towing, it fails on both those fronts, though.

 

Now, I had some really good luck doing a couple of long trips with the JTE.

 

I would put it in E save, which still uses the electric motor, just barely uses it. And as long as I went like below 65 miles an hour, it got amazing range.

 

But you gotta drive like, you know, a fancy at below 65 miles an hour. Mm-hmm, no. Been on the trailer?

 

(Laughing)

No, that was driving it. Like I went from, you know, we did,

 

posted it Vegas to Moab and made it almost clean, almost the entire trip without stopping for fuel once.

I’m helping them to sell them.

 

Well, we were going, I mean, we were going slow.

So, We were going slow. That’s the difference. I mean, it’s going slow. You know, I just, I just drove, and Matt just drove, both of us, just went to the Smoky Mountain Deep invasion and back. And, you know, one tank of gas, I didn’t get there from Charlotte to, you know, three and a half or four and a half hours away. One tank of gas did not make it.

 

You know, it, but I wasn’t driving slow.

There we go, I was just gonna ask.

I was gonna be 75.

Yeah.

 

Well, Travis, you’re a good one to ask because you currently have a four by E. If a hybrid was your only choice for a future Jeep, would you stick with Jeep or would you go with a used Jeep? Or maybe you would look for somebody else, maybe somebody else that was still selling vehicles with internal combustion engines.

 

Well, it’s got an internal, it’s got a nice engine. So I like that, but I’ve got two Jeeps. I’ll never get rid of the old one. It’s back home. I’m gonna always have ice. I like a lot of the features and a lot of, I like a lot about this technology. I like it.

 

I like, you know, a V8. I like, you know,

 

the 392 better.

 

There is a lot of like more, but it was that tax credit. It was that buying purchase point that sold me on it. I’m getting a lot of power for a reduced price. And that was it. I didn’t buy it for a gas saving vehicle. I didn’t buy it for, you know, yeah, it’s convenient. I can go to the grocery store and back and it’s free. I say free, it’s, you know, 20 cents of electric range or electric charge to me. You know, it’s great for short little runs and different things, but the reality of people buying it or the company selling it as a convenient vehicle, it’s truly, it’s not.

 

There’s a lot of pop perks and plositives to it, but for how they market it, I disagree with a lot of points. I was selling them. I realized that and I drove one for two weeks. And then I was like, yup, nope, I’ll do it. I understood what it was. And it’s also a Jeep. I didn’t buy a Jeep for gas saving. I didn’t buy it for the powered Scott, but I was just like, damn it. I can’t turn this down. It’s impressive.

I think Jeep did a good job.

What happens when you have to replace the $15,000 battery?

 

It turns into an ice. Yeah, it turns into an ice. But you know, if that happens before the 10 years or the nine years, it’s got,

 

that’ll be fun. And I hope it goes out before the nine years.

I hope it goes out at eight years and four months so that you get a freebie.

Yeah, correct. You and I both.

Until they go, oh wait, you’ve got bigger tires and you’ve got this. So now your warranty is employed.

And then you just say Magnus and Mossack. I’m not gonna avoid it for that. Then your lawyers.

I know. Yeah, I’ve got my warranty. Well, I’m warranty through Jeep knows I have all this equipment on it. And they’re, yep, it’s covered, it’s good.

 

I think what I would look at it, so if you had to pay, call it 10 grand extra or something a little more than that, I would, I personally would rather have, get a three six and put a blower on it as long as they don’t have the same experience that Roger had.

 

What’s the savings? I mean, what’s the average battery last, 10 years you say? So in 10 years, would you save enough in 10 years on a fuel to buy another battery?

They don’t know if the battery is gonna last 10 years cause they couldn’t test them that long. I look at the Tesla’s and stuff, they’re getting three to five years on a battery and they’ve got a really nice one. So they don’t know.

Five years gonna save you enough.

Yeah, but luckily they offered that warranty, right? So with that 10 year warranty, it’s a win-win. And honestly, if you’re allowed to plug in at work, it’s a win-win because it’s not spinning your electric meter at home.

 

And honestly, the power to rate ratio, the things are amazing to drive, they really are. So I’m not gonna knock them that much, but I’m on pins and needles,

 

throw it back to Bill and figure out what’s wrong.

 

(Laughing)

All right, so we’re gonna switch back to the door pocket woes

 

and Bill was complaining before you got joined in here, Greg. Bill, take it away.

 

No, so first I’ll say like the quality of the door pockets is awesome. Oh, they’re gorgeous. Like better than expected, like the texture, everything, you got it just right. So I was pretty excited. I kind of got the, you know, 730, I opened the box. I’m like, I’m gonna install these when I’m listening to the show. And then I’m missing my hardware and my instructions. So maybe mine was one of those where it slipped out of the box or something and shipping, but anyway.

 

Text me your info.

Yeah.

 

And I will priority overnight use some instructions and some hardware and a big fat apology.

 

No, like I said.

 

So we learned and I have, so now this is six. But we’ve had three with no hardware. We had one box that was opened and delivered empty. Wow. They delivered the box empty.

That was nice of them.

Yeah. Here’s what you didn’t get.

 

Right?

 

So we’re learning, like I’m looking at tape right now, switching from, so right off rip, like today, they were double taping. So they were wrapping it all the way around twice.

 

I’m looking at the, like that cardboard tape that has the– Yeah,

it’s got like the strings and stuff in there.

Yeah, and the downfall with that is

 

that’s gonna cost another 40 cents a box.

 

Wow. To use that tape, because it’s expensive.

I would just take the hit on the five or six that does don’t make it.

 

Is there a happy medium between the extreme super tape and the–

Obviously mine got here just fine.

I don’t, and that’s the problem is I don’t know, right? So I’ve just been basing my experience on the eight dozen packages that show up here in my shop every week. And looking at all of them, like since Monday, I’ve had, I don’t know, 20 boxes show up. And out of those 20 boxes, only one of them didn’t have that cardboard tape. So I think, I mean, even Amazon has their own made with their own label on it, right? And the reason that companies use it is because it works better. So maybe the paying extra for it and the machine is expensive, right? So you buy this little machine and when you pull the tape through, it wets it. So the bottom of it has,

 

you fill it with water and when you pull the tape through, it wets the bottom of it, which activates the glue.

 

But yeah, it works out to be, it was like 35 to 40 cents a box.

 

But if it prevents, we shipped out 170 packages and we know of at least six issues. Well, when I priority overnight hardware, that’s gonna cost me almost more than shipping the box in the first place. So if you do that six out of every hundred boxes,

 

it’s cheaper to buy the 35 cent tape.

Yeah.

So you just got to carry some Greg.

 

I’ve hauled boxes before and I’m sure whatever you got, they didn’t make them for you. There’s a lot of times, like there’s a lot of dust on the boxes, even in between the layers of boxes. Is it possible that you just got some dirty, some dusty boxes? Cause that’ll make the tape not stick. I mean, so maybe it doesn’t make a microfiber cloth and just, after you close the disc, run a microfiber cloth across it.

Well, and the other one I’m thinking of is, when they loaded those on the FedEx truck, right?

 

FedEx truck backed up, opened his door and 60 identical boxes were all hand loaded. And then, when he got to the depot, 60 boxes were unloaded and then sorted and then put in other things and then shipped and then put in other trucks. So there’s a lot of handling. Oh yeah.

And FedEx can be pretty rough too. Some of the stuff I’ve gotten from FedEx has been.

 

So how do you, Roger, do you just back up and hit the loading dock at like 20 miles per hour with the door open? Yeah.

I was really surprised how, I’ll just mention to anybody that’s thinking about getting the door pockets. And what we’re talking about here is, Greg’s been working on these door pockets that are OEM plus quality. They replaced the saggy door nets or hopefully like mine, mine aren’t sagging yet. So I’ll be replacing them before they get saggy.

And for anybody that’s too shy to buy them right off my website, which is unofficiallyuseonly.com, within a week or two, you’ll be able to buy them from Northridge 4×4.

Oh, that’s awesome. Oh yeah.

 

We’re gonna ship out two or three pallets of them to Northridge first of the week.

 

So anyway, their door pockets, front and rear doors, I think you can buy them separately now if you just want the fronts for like a two door.

 

But it replaces the nets and several people here and the team members and listeners have ordered the door pockets and installed them.

 

So everybody’s loving them. I called Greg today when I received, actually yesterday when I received mine. Because you can see pictures of the stuff, but whenever you actually look at it and see the quality of it, it’s like what you were saying, Bill. They’re fantastic. I mean, they are gorgeous. I mean, it looks like somebody made these things with a $140 stamp, $140,000 stamp, which– They did.

They didn’t make it with $140,000 stamp.

Of course, that’s how it was made.

 

Also– I know where your hardware is. Also for new Jeep owners and new listeners,

 

they do work with the 2024 with the electric seats. So it’s the only door pocket

 

or the only net replacement available on the market that works with the 2024 electric seats.

And how much they cost?

 

For a complete set of four is 150 bucks. So half the cost of my competition.

Damn cheap. And I think you said the shipping’s like 20 bucks or something.

 

Yeah, right now we, because we’re learning the website woes, which is not a fun thing for a guy who doesn’t computer.

 

Right now, shipping is a flat 20 bucks anywhere in the country, but we will change that basically. Once we have shipments to every state, we can go in the website and tell it that it’s this much for this state or this much for that state.

 

And you’re only shipping to the 48 states, the mainland of the United States, right? You’re not doing Alaska– No, we’ll actually ship.

 

Yeah, well, no, we’ll ship anywhere, but there is, it’s not 20 bucks if you want it to Alaska or it’s not 20 bucks if you want it to Hawaii. Okay, good.

 

Case in point, we have a couple of customers in Australia, one of who listens to this show, but I still haven’t called him because every time I look, it’s like three in the morning there.

 

But to ship one box to him is $200 a box.

 

Oh my God.

You can use the good tape.

 

Right, yeah. And I definitely want the good tape.

 

And we had a couple orders in China, which we actually refunded their money because when we Google Earth did it, it was a plastics building. So it was a manufacturing facility that ordered them.

 

So we just refunded their money.

 

But yeah, so and we’ve got a guy in Calgary and it was, I think $80 to ship to him.

So– It’s just amazing. I’ve had this situation when people, and I’m just so honored when people, and I’m sure you are too, Greg, when somebody wants to buy your stuff, I mean, they just want a Jeep talk show sticker, England. And I think it was gonna be like 40 bucks to send a sticker. And I said, hey, I’d love for you to have it, get a picture there in the jolly old state of England. Yeah, I say state.

So for those are the people on the show who got them, what did you, did you like the sticker? Because I put some extra effort into that sticker.

 

I didn’t get that either.

 

(Laughing)

It’s a nice sticker.

 

Oh, that’s great.

 

So that– Funny of all you would have got was just the hardware, Bill, that would have been funny.

Like normally, you know, dealing with the aftermarket and dealing with all these things, you know, like I get faces of stickers.

 

And traditionally I was looking at all the different stickers once somebody on the Jeep talk show mentioned that I needed stickers. And that was just a few weeks ago. I looked at the normal stickers and I could make

 

kind of like the stickers we gave away at SEMA. I could make those stickers and they would have cost me about eight cents a piece, which is your standard everyday sticker that everybody gives out. And I didn’t want to do that. I wanted something a little higher class. Now those stickers are UV stable. So they are designed to go on the outside of a vehicle, but you can see they’ve got that resin topping. So it’s kind of like a bubble. And I know Chuck hates them, but it’s a TV stable. It’s supposed to last on the outside of the car for the life of the car. They’re supposed to be really high end. And those things cost me like a buck. I think they were a buck 18 a piece instead of six or seven cents that I would have spent on a normal sticker. So I really want your guys’ feedback because you guys are the ones that told me to put a sticker in the box. So if you dig it, I’ll keep running that sticker. If you don’t dig it, I’ll go to a cheaper version or something different.

 

I like the sticker.

 

Man, I almost seemed to get buck 18 just to get one of the stickers.

I was looking at the door pockets. I mean, I kind of saw the sticker on there and I did notice that it wasn’t just a standard die cut sticker,

 

but yeah. I mean, either one would have been fine. I just wanted something with the logo on it. Fortunately, Bill had sent me one to go on the board behind me that you guys can’t see tonight. All right, well, let’s get off of this for right now. I’d like to welcome Gina. I think it’s Gina’s first time here.

 

And as always, they’re probably the last time, but we appreciate you being here this time, Gina.

(Laughs)

Not yet, not as scared me yet.

 

(Laughs)

So. Yes, you wait.

So, as I was asking everybody, the Toyota has announced no more ICE vehicles, all hybrid electric. If Jeep goes to all hybrid electric vehicles, are you done with Jeeps, buying Jeeps in the future?

 

Help me? Yes. Uh, I don’t, probably.

How do you, what do you think about EVs? I mean, do you mind the EVs? You think they’re a good idea?

I have no experience with any of them. Of course, you know, for the environment and stuff, I can see the pros and cons of it, or the pros of it, but I myself, I never even considered

 

doing the electric vehicles. My dad was a mechanic, so I always grew up being able to work on my own. So the internal combustion was one thing that I just, I know it, so I’m gonna stick with whatever I want, or whatever I know I can work on if I get broke down in the middle of nowhere, and then I can fix it and still get home.

Mm-hmm.

 

Very good. Again, welcome to us here. We hope we see you here every week.

Tony asked me. Tony asked me.

 

(Both Laughing)

 

So I get this feeling, Greg. I’m like Travis. Greg would like to answer the question about the Toyota, no more ICE vehicles.

 

Yeah, so there’s one, I was pretty certain that Toyota was working on a hydrogen platform, but maybe not. So I know a lot of the other companies are working on a hydrogen platform, which is still an ICE vehicle, but if Jeep went pure electric or pure hybrid,

 

I apologize profusely. I would just keep buying. I love Jeep. I love the brand. I love everything about it, but I would just buy old used ones. Yeah. I don’t want an electric one for two reasons.

 

One, if I needed to drive across the country, I don’t, I’m always in a hurry. You know, I’m a small business owner and I’m always in a hurry. So I can’t stop, you know, like I’m going from here to Moab, I can’t stop and wait six hours for my battery to charge or three hours or two hours or whatever.

I’ll drive 60 miles an hour to get there on a tank of gas and go take twice as long.

Right, I don’t want to take twice as long. I want to break every law. I want to do 85 to 90 across the interstate. And I want to fill up in four minutes. I don’t want to plug in and wait for two hours for it to charge. So that’s step one. Step two, when I built the JTE for Quadratec and we took that death battery out of the four by E

 

and we affectionately nicknamed it the death battery because we had to orden off 10 feet around the vehicle when we disconnected the battery because it can discharge that range. So if somebody was within 10 feet, it could kill them with the discharge because it’s a hundred percent discharge in less than a minute when it’s not plugged in.

 

And that’s a lot of amps running through your body. So that’s the second one. And the third one is, and I hate to say it because Gina just said it, but if you do any research, you will see that the manufacturing process for the current batteries is so much worse

 

on the environment than a gas engine.

 

The manufacturing process for those batteries,

 

I think you could drive 60 or 70,000 miles in your car before you’re even close to net zero.

 

So they really are worse for the environment than your average commuter car.

Yeah, smoke and mirrors.

 

Yeah, it’s a lot of smoke and mirrors. And that’s the hard part is you have to look to find that information.

 

The lithium ion mines are just absolutely destructive and disgusting and they’re using so much diesel and then the manufacturing process is even worse. So look at Chuck, right? Chuck keeps walking around and making noise. If you look in his garage, he’s got the CJ6, he’s got a couple old Jeeps. Those things are so much greener than any modern car because they’re still driving. They’re still on the road. They’re still in service 15, 16, 70 years later. Once you put all the computers in them– Not the scrambler.

Not the scrambler.

Well, yeah, not currently.

 

(Laughing)

But once you put all the computers in them, the lifespan of the vehicle is so much shorter, right? People are kind of used to buying a vehicle in two or three or four years later, they get another one.

 

Where old cars, if you maintain them, stay alive for a really long time.

 

And you’re not mining the metal, you’re not mining all the other stuff to make a new car. That one’s already been there. So the longer it

lasts, the cleaner it is.

 

Yeah, the longer it lasts, the cleaner it is. I mean, on this show, I got rid of my 1936 Studebaker that was still running and driving after almost 100 years. So,

 

I mean, that’s a very long answer, but it touches each individual point. I love Jeep and I will not stop owning and loving Jeeps until the day I die, but I would not buy an electric Jeep. I just wouldn’t do it.

Well, I guess also too, there’s always a possibility of dropping in a nice engine in a hybrid electric vehicle. I mean, you can always get a crate engine and do it the way you want to do it, as long as the government allows us to do those things, which I know that this part of what SEMA is trying to call attention to is the ability for us to work on our vehicles.

Yeah, did you watch the video?

I did not see it. Chris, he said something about it today, but I was busy working on stuff, but I didn’t know it was out.

Yeah, so I filmed a video for SEMA and it talks about the Biden-Harris EV mandate.

 

I mean, people need to actually download the EV mandate and read the entire thing so that they understand versus just watching a one minute video. But no, the video has been posted for a couple of days. I posted it on my own personal wall on Facebook

 

and Driving Force on Facebook actually posted it. That’s SEMA’s thing.

 

But just like normal things, Zuckerberg is already limiting the reach of these videos.

 

So they’re doing paid sponsorship. They’re sending it all over Michigan. It’s even on the radio stations, but on Facebook, they’re already limiting the reach. So I shared it. Normally when I share something,

 

I get a lot of views because I get a lot of people to follow my stuff and nobody’s seen it. There’s only been like four or five comments on the video in two days. So yeah, it’s a pretty good video. I dig it, but I actually did the research. When they asked me to do it and they told me they wanted me to talk about the EV mandate,

 

I gave them a hesitant, I need to look into it. And I did, I read that entire EV mandate and it took me hours because it’s a lot of pages.

 

And it’s pretty disgusting. Like they really wanna force the EV mandate

 

and they wanna completely ban the auto manufacturers from making stuff, but also hidden inside that EV mandate are things that really affect my business. And hidden inside of it, it says that as of a certain year, you’re not allowed to make aftermarket modifications to your personal vehicle, even if you own it outright. They’re trying to make it illegal for us to modify our vehicles.

 

Well, I’m gonna look for that video. I’m just kind of scanning your Facebook page right now.

Yeah, it’s like almost the last thing I posted on Facebook. You have to go to my personal Greg Henderson one and

you should be able to find it. I was on a future use only. All right.

Now I say that I’m the owner of unofficial use only, but I have not shared it to unofficial use only yet because I’m honestly hesitant for the blowback. Oh yeah.

 

I’m hesitant for the people that, because I don’t say vote for Trump. I don’t say any of that. I say vote against the EV mandate.

 

As if you actually read it, you know why I would wanna vote against it. Oh yeah. But I’m hesitant to post it on unofficial use only because there are already people saying, you’re gonna hurt your business by doing this. And on one regard, I don’t really care, but on the other regard, I do a little bit. This is my business and my livelihood.

You gotta be a smart businessman. We all can’t live like Chuck does. Speaking of Chuck, Chuck, I don’t see you, I mean, it took you this long to get a new Jeep. If they go hybrid electric, are you gonna stop buying Jeeps in the future?

Yeah.

 

Yeah, anytime a government tells you that you have to do something, it’s not for your best interest. It’s for the government’s best interest. So I’m good not doing what they tell me to. That’s me.

 

Yeah, I mean, I think that the battery power thing, probably the future, right? I mean,

 

more than likely that’s what’s gonna happen in due time and I’m not against that. I love innovation. I love outside of the box thinking.

 

I mean, look at what Elon’s doing with space travel. I absolutely love it. But when it’s shoved down your throat, there’s a hidden agenda. I used to work for the government. So we used to do shit that you find out, like, yeah, that’s not for the betterment of the country. It’s a betterment of a politician, right? Yeah, that’s sad. I don’t do it. And to caveat off of what Greg was saying,

 

we buy new trucks every two years and all the diesels, they have diesel exhaust fluid, right? Which is a smog deal. Boy, they only run 70,000 miles before you have to do a complete death clean out, which is six, seven, $8,000 here.

 

Well, what are they doing? They’re just getting more money. Because you pay more money, you gotta have more taxes.

 

And it’s the same thing with this whole EV thing.

 

They’re just doing it to get more taxes. You’re just gonna have to buy more batteries, just like with the diesel. The government, the EPA has really screwed everything up and made it really hard for us to run them. I got old, my seven three, it’s a 1996 seven three, runs top notch,

 

way better than my 2023.

Chuck,

 

I’ve got a question. Because you do a lot of trucks. And I have very limited experience, but I used to get to drive a truck and it was a,

 

was it a 2006 Dodge Ram mega cab with the 32 valve coming.

 

And it was a stick shift. And that truck going to Boeing, Boeing two Jeeps got like 23 miles to the gallon.

 

Last year I went and I rented a brand new 2023 Dodge Ram to tow to Moab. And I got nine miles to the gallon.

 

And I had to put Def in it. You know, do most of the old trucks get way better fuel mileage than the new ones too, in your experience?

 

Yeah, because they’re tuned for power, right? Optimum power.

 

And optimum power means that you’re gonna burn all of the fuel that’s going through it, right? Because if you don’t have optimum power, that’s unused fuel and that’s just unused,

 

there’s a lot of oil things that go through the diesels.

 

And they just don’t run as nice. Once they started computerizing them, and really when the death system happened, like my Peter built a 2007, and that’s the last year of a non-def semi truck. And I run circles around everybody else and I use half the fuel now, Roger’s gonna be on here and he’s got a very beautiful

 

2010, 2011.

 

And you know, he’s got more horsepower than I do.

 

The older stuff just was engineered to run because fuel just that your fuel consumption is your big deal. So I’ve got three, 23s, maybe a 22 and a 24 in there. And I run anywhere between four and nine miles per gallon. And I’m running death.

 

And my 2018, we just did some work to it where the death system is no longer needed. We did not do a delete for any of the EPA guys that are listening.

 

And it’s running way cleaner, it runs faster, less fuel. You know, just everything about it is so much better than my big red truck. I mean, I don’t know how many, you know, Jeep trips I’ve done with you guys where, you know, I show up in my 23 and it’s a great, big, beautiful red truck, but it gets four miles to the gallon and it’s gutless. Well, it goes into the shop here in two weeks. And we’re also gonna, you know, potentially make it where it doesn’t run that kind of crap, which is highly illegal.

So Chuck, I understand what you’re saying here, but we don’t like logic and facts and results. We need everything done through emotion.

 

Well, how about this? Buy round headlights and drink Coors. Fuck yeah.

 

(Laughing)

Hey Chuck, thank you very much for solidifying that for us.

 

I mean, you have a lot more experience in that realm than I do. That’s why I asked you the question because my limited experience taught me one thing, but I wanted the clarification and thank you for the explanation. That was very nice of you.

I mean, ultimately, I really believe Greg, you know, you and I chat often and Tony and I do too. Ultimately, I think, you know, battery power is going to be the future, but let it naturally progress, right?

Yeah. Because right now the technology essentially is in the dark ages for the batteries. I mean, with Elon or some of those other guys make some changes and I’m sure in a few years, we’re going to have amazing batteries, but right now they suck.

Well, the infrastructure, right? They just, it blows.

Well, and I’ve said this before, what we need is something that generates power. Kind of like when you burn gasoline, you’re not charging your vehicle with gasoline, you’re filling it up with a fluid that can be burned. So we need something along the same lines, but it creates electricity or through its process, it creates electricity and hopefully it does something that gives us a lot more range. Hell, I’d like to have a gladiator that was like a nuclear aircraft carrier where you just refill it every five to 20 years.

Mr. Fusion.

That’s right.

 

Did you see the video where like in Indonesia or someplace like that, they actually have battery charging stations for their Vespas or their little battery powered scooters where you roll up to the side, you put your old batteries in there, you put some pin number, you pay for it, you grab new batteries, stick it in your deal and keep going.

Oh, that’s a good way. It’s awesome.

Hard to do. So they’re doing that. There was a car in Japan, they’re doing that that’s hydrogen fuel cell. So you go up, you put your old fuel cell in, you take the new one out and you put it in the car and within a minute you’re back on the road and those things have like 400 miles of range on a hydrogen fuel cell. That’s about this big by about this big.

And they have something overseas where they actually,

 

the chassis was the battery. Do you literally just took the body off and put it on another chassis?

 

I don’t know what you’re talking about. That sounds stupid, Roger.

No, it was something that I saw on the top gear.

 

All right, we’ll think about that. We’ll do a little research on that while we go to John Lee. John Lee, what do you think? Hybrid electric for Rajeep? Is that, are you gonna try to keep yours for the rest of your life or maybe buy a new one in the future that’s hybrid electric?

 

No, I’ll probably keep mine.

 

I think the, I think the commuter side of the electric vehicles is actually probably a little better. And I would probably be a lot more open to that, especially for my daily commuting back and forth to work and stuff like that. But I’ll keep my Jeep for the long, long trips and when off-roading and just kind of keep it alive, I guess.

I guess you have to if you don’t wanna go with the new stuff. And at some point I kinda get the feeling that we’re old fogies. I’m not getting rid of my horse. My horse can get me home without me even telling it where to go, because she knows how to get there.

 

And I’m not against technology. I’m like Chuck and Greg. I think new technology is wonderful. But you can’t just say let’s do it. It has to be ready. I mean, I’ve made the analogy before about cell phones. Cell phones were great. They were dumb. You made phone calls on it. You might have texted on them. And then the smartphones came out. And nobody has a dumb phone anymore because the technology is just so wonderful. So that’s what we need to do with the automobiles is they need to come out with something that is just so wonderful that just doesn’t make any sense to stick with what we’re doing now.

All right, let’s– I’ll bet you within five years the batteries will have good technology. Just today they suck.

Yeah, well, and they’re a lot better than when I was a kid and even just 20 years ago. So there has been a lot of technological increases in the time, but it’s just like you say, it’s not time for it yet. All right, so let’s see. I went to Rich last year, last year, last week, it seems like last year, and he didn’t unmute. Let’s see if he’s gonna unmute this time. Rich, what do you think about hybrid electric? Is that XJ gonna be running for the next 20 years?

 

Hybrid electric, no, but I’ve considered doing an electric swap on it. If they can get the battery technology out there, I think it would be pretty cool.

Oh, it’d be a great off-road rig, wouldn’t it?

Yeah, as far as like everyday use,

 

I’m actually probably in a good spot for like a four by E, because my commute is a little under 30 miles

 

and we got a charging station right behind our shop there.

So I could

theoretically run it mostly on electric,

 

but other than that though, it’s not there yet. It’ll get there, but I’m more leaning towards the hydrogen side of things.

 

I’m more curious on where that’s gonna go.

Mm-hmm, so the people that are listening, I know that you’re, and I’m surprised Steve-O hasn’t said anything about it yet. We have dueling, and actually not even dueling, we’ve got a Quadrifonic Grasshopper Fest here. Greg has one, Chuck has one. I heard one at your place there, Rich. And I think there was one more person. Maybe it was just those three. But yeah, so if you’re hearing crickets, it’s not me playing a trick on you. The crickets at these locations were these gentlemen that have joined us tonight.

 

All right, was there anybody else that wanted to jump in on this question before we moved along?

 

Hey, this is Glenn from Louisiana. I got a couple questions. So the 4XC does not regenerate the battery? You have to plug it in when you get back home?

Yeah, it does not regenerate. Well, if you lived in the mountains and you were going downhill all day long, it does regenerate.

 

But for normal use, no, it doesn’t. The ice engine powers the vehicle just like the electric one does. So it doesn’t regenerate enough to keep it charged.

 

It does reserve about, it’s less than 1%. It’s got about 10% left in it. You can definitely juice it out, but it’s still kind of something similar to your stop-go on steroids. So it is region breaking every time you break anyways. The primary breaking system is that.

 

So you can maintain, like if you, you don’t put an e-save where it’s actually using as a generator,

 

your breaking system will bring you to a stop, shut it off, and then you’ll start out and go,

 

you have 200 yards and electric if you’re in a straight hybrid mode. So it does it to a point, but it’s not, if you have an e-save charge for long enough, you can charge the battery, but you’re talking hundreds of miles.

 

Okay, I’m both curious. I’m curious because I hate to admit it. I used to own a Prius.

 

That was a long time ago. That’s a long time ago. Like a true soldier, saving money.

 

Yeah, I used to drive 110 miles to one way to work every day. So I had to do some– 100% yeah.

 

But I will say I did lower the car, put bigger tires and other sway bars on it because I’m a racer at heart. But anyway, it’s a regenerative system, right? So when you slow down and while you’re slowing down, it would regenerate the battery and you could watch the battery go up and down. And that was all fine and dandy until that battery gave out on me and cost me $2,500 and left me on the side of the road.

Yeah.

 

Right. And then a couple of years later, I went through a second battery for another $1,800, $1,900.

 

And I was like, I saw somebody with a Prius at the fuel station. I said, get rid of it. Everything you’re saving right now in fuel economy, put all that money into another account, you’re gonna have to buy a battery.

No. No, they’re not cheap. Well, and so I drove a four by E through the pass. So through the Rockies.

 

And when I made it to the Eisenhower tunnel, so I went all the way up the hill from Grand Junction to the Eisenhower tunnel in E save. And when I got to the top, the battery was already, I think it was at like 7%.

 

And then I engaged the charge function and I went all the way downhill to Denver, only having to use the gas pedal, I think like three times.

 

And when I got all the way down to Denver, I had recharged the battery 19%.

 

So there’s not enough regenerative or regeneration to fully charge your battery.

 

Now you say that, and just me this past weekend, going over 441 from Bryson City Cherokee over to Smoky Mountain or to Pigeon Forge to the event. I left my house full charge, or my parents’ house full charge of battery. I get to Cherokee and all of a sudden Cherokee is 20 minutes away and I’m going slow. Again, this is 35 miles an hour, 45 miles an hour over the mountain.

 

I get there, I’m at zero charge. I go up the mountain in hybrid and then I come down the mountain. When I get down the mountain and I’m in Gatlinburg,

 

I had over 60% of battery from coming down the mountain. And on the way back, again, I did it and I had on my round trip, a little over 100 miles, over half of it was electrical only going downhill. I mean, no gas was used. It was, I mean, zero charge, it’s rebuilding and I’m driving down the mountain for free.

 

That’s the only time that ever happens. My daily commute, I’ll drive to work. I get 15 miles of electric range because I’m highway and back roads both.

 

And then I drive home, if I’m sitting in traffic, I may have two miles with that zero charge just from breaking and everything. I’m like, hey, I got home, I’m two miles of electric range. There are variations and do we- Yeah, there’s variations. Never push the save on.

Wait, how long does it take?

 

The biggest deal here, Greg is, Travis, you live with your parents?

No, my parents live in the mountains and I went to visit them this past weekend.

All right, just making sure, bro. Cause I thought, dude, if we need to go go fund me page for you, like we would do that.

Hey, I’ve got it. So the other one with the E save or not the E save, but the electric, because I was fortunate enough to play with one for a little bit. The one thing that bummed me out the most is the charger that they send with the car. When you buy the four by E, you get the normal wall plug. And if you drain that battery to zero, just for somebody out there who’s thinking of buying a four by E,

 

make sure you upgrade your charger because the charger that comes with the car, if you plug it in, it takes about 14 hours to go from zero to a hundred percent. So that means when you get home from work, you better plug it in so that in the morning you have a full charge again.

I got it. There’s also other unexpected expense of an electric vehicle is the cost of having a hundred amp service for a good charger installed in your home.

Yeah, if you’re not an electrician then you can do it for a hundred bucks. You’re paying three grand for an electrician to come out and do it for you.

 

When you go from the ice engine over to the electric and you’re going full electric, what do you call the gas pedal?

 

It’s still the gas pedal because if you put it all the way to the floor, the ice engine still fires up.

It’s a volume controller. It’s a volume controller.

 

It’s an accelerator pedal.

 

I want to know what all this electric talk is coming from.

I don’t have a gas pedal in any of our trucks.

It’s because not everybody has a Hemi like you Keith.

 

No, he wanted to drop that, didn’t he?

Go into bigger engines.

 

I was curious because it’s obviously not that big of a thing to, well obviously you don’t buy a Jeep or fuel economy.

 

So I didn’t know if it was like how that compared to like the diesel Jeep and fuel economy. But the other thing was you talked about the tax credit. One of the guys I work with over here, he bought a Tesla and this past year he had to pay like $2,000 to $3,500 in road taxes because he doesn’t buy fuel anymore.

What state are you in? They’re going to start doing that in all the states.

Glenn, what state are you in?

 

Louisiana. Louisiana, California just passed that deal because they pushed EV so hard. And then all Mr. Newsome just fucked everybody and said, “Oh yeah, we’re not getting fuel tax. So now you get a road tax.”

 

Yeah. Yeah.

 

How many- When he told me that I was like, damn.

 

How many tons of these used battery? I mean, because what I understand is you can’t recycle this crap.

So how many- No, they can recycle them. There’s a couple of new recycling facilities that have popped up and they can recycle them. It’s like 98% of the battery is recyclable. Okay. But it costs more than the cost of the battery to recycle it.

Yeah, shipping them to Indonesia and letting kids bury them is not recycling them, Greg.

No, there’s actually a US company that is building two giant recycling facilities and they did figure it out, but it’s so expensive. They’re just banking on the fact that the government’s going to start forcing you to recycle them, which is going to be another charge.

 

You can look at that. Wow.

There’s a lot of tons.

 

There’s the damage.

 

And the pollution of waste from the brakes and tires from the added weight, they use like 10 times more brakes and tires.

 

Well, the four by E is 800 pounds heavier than an identically equipped Rubicon. So if you take a four by E Rubicon and a regular Rubicon parked next to each other, the four by E is 800 pounds heavier. The battery is 400 pounds and then the motor and all the cooling system is the other 400. So it’s 800 pounds heavier, but it’s really down low. So it’s a…

 

Here’s something else to think about too, is that with all these heavier vehicles, I saw they were doing tests on the crash barriers on the interstates now. Oh yeah. These vehicles are just rolling through that stuff. So now you’re going to have the extra cost of upgrading all the crash safety barriers along the interstate. So where’s that money going to come from?

And the tires were faster as well because of the weight. Yeah.

Well,

 

that’s why Camilla wants to take your…

 

What the hell is it? What did they say?

 

Yeah, I screwed that one up because now I can’t even say it. Unrealized.

It’s your story, Greg.

Yeah, unrealized capital gains. Yep.

Oh God.

 

They want to tax unrealized capital gains.

Yeah, they want to tax you money you don’t have.

If your property value goes up from a hundred grand to 200 grand, even though you don’t sell it, they’re going to tax you 28% on the new value of your house. This is California. This is exactly why I left. No, she’s trying to push it. She’s trying to push it nationwide.

No, he’s saying things.

They already do it. This is the same shit that they did. Mom and dad bought their house.

Did you just say they already passed it nationwide?

 

No. Oh. No.

But it’s all assets, not just your home. It’s anything you own.

Stock included.

Yeah. Yeah. Anything. Even to…

 

So basically if you finish up your scrambler and you make it, you know, right now it’s worth 500 bucks. If you finish it and it’s now worth 20 grand, you have to pay…

 

Yeah, but once you finish it and it’s worth, you know, 30 grand, you’re going to have to pay tax on it because it went up in value while it was in your possession.

You don’t ever say that the scrambler’s only worth $500, Greg. That thing has got a nice winch on it.

 

All right, 675.

 

All right, well, the Zoom meeting continues on even after we stop recording. You should be here to enjoy it, not only during the recording of the show, not even after the recording of the show, but before the recording of the show because we start at the Zoom meeting about 7.30 p.m. Central time. You can get in here and introduce yourself or maybe get a conversation going. And then I will very rudely interrupt you at 8 p.m. Central time to record the show.

 

See, I think it was last week. There were two people left in the Zoom room when I walked through the office here, the studio, and it was one o’clock in the morning. And I think it was Bob and Mike. We’re still talking. One o’clock in the morning. There’s nothing wrong with that. You can stick, hang around the Zoom meeting as long as you like.

 

All right, so coming up on our next Jeep Talk Show interview show, Robbie Bryant of Overlanding, or not Overlanding, Overland of America.com. This is a big, big event happening September 13th through 15th in Jay, Oklahoma. It’s a great centrally located place in the United States. This is something, this is the first one that Robbie’s doing here at Jay, Oklahoma. And it just sounds huge. You’ll have to listen to this interview just to get a feel for what I’m talking about. And this isn’t Robbie’s first rodeo. This isn’t a rodeo, but you know what I’m saying.

 

And so he’s been involved in the industry for many, many years, and now he’s doing an event. So I think, I’m a believer, I think it’s gonna be a really good event, and I think it’s gonna be a great event straight out of the gate the very first time.

 

And that brings us to the end of this exhilarating Jeep Talk Show Round Table episode. I wanna express my deepest gratitude to our incredible panel of Jeep enthusiasts for sharing their valuable insights and experiences and expertise with us today. Your passion for Jeeps is truly inspiring, and we’re grateful for your contributions.

 

So until next time, keep those Jeeps running strong, hit those trails with confidence, and remember, it’s not just a vehicle, it’s a way of life. This has been Tony hosting the Jeep Talk Show Round Table episode, and we’ll catch ya on the next ride.

 

Broadcasting since 2010.

 

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Hi, I’m Tony. I’m your host for tonight’s round table episode. We have four questions to ask you tonight and I’ll be calling on you by name. So have that clicker ready to unmute. And when I say clicker, I mean, it could be your mouse pointer. I mean, it could be your finger if you’re on a phone. I don’t know what you guys are using. Just the thing you use to click the unmute button. So you know who you are. And maybe we should have people check in whenever they’re going to the bathroom because I’ll call on people and they’re not there. Of course, they just could be nervous. You know, you can submit your questions for the round table. Just go to JeepTalkShow.com slash contact to find out how. All right, here we go. Hello, Zoom people.

 

Good evening. Hello. Hello.

Good evening. Hello, hello, hello. How are you doing?

Count Chacula. What up? Count Chacula. One, two, three. I, two, three. Speaking of one, let’s start off with this first question. Oh, I forgot to send Greg a text message to remind him to get on. Somebody send Greg a message. Send Chuck a message too.

Oh, we need Greg on.

Oh yeah.

We really need him on right now.

Oh, I know. I heard.

 

(Laughing)

Door pocket update.

 

All right, so this was the one I was gonna use last week, but we didn’t get to get to it. And of course we’ve got four questions, but who knows if we’ll actually get to the four questions. We do pretty good to get to just two of them, which is not a bad thing. This means that you guys are very interactive and do a lot of talking, which is the fun. That’s the reason why the listeners are here to listen to you guys. All right, so the first question, Toyota has announced no more ICE vehicles. And I’ll remind everybody that’s internal combustion engine, all hybrid electric.

 

And my question, this is a statement. This is my question. If Jeep follows in their footsteps, are you sticking with Jeep? Are you gonna buy a hybrid or an EV in the future if Jeep goes the same direction as Toyota? And what do you think about Toyota doing this? So let’s start with, let me see, Steve-O was complaining I didn’t call on him. Let’s start with Steve-O.

(Steve Laughs)

I don’t know where that came from, but anyway.

It came from the chat earlier.

 

Oh, anyway.

 

So if this is the first I’m hearing about, I guess I’ve had my head in the sand recently, but I wouldn’t be hard pressed to go

 

without a question at this point. I think that might not be a choice, unfortunately.

Yeah.

But then I would start looking shopping around, going out in Arizona, buying some old Jeeps.

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking.

You gotta imagine the price is gonna go through the roof.

 

Well, it certainly should go up. I mean, you’re talking about two drive systems at that point. And I think we already know that the four by ease are kind of pricey now.

So-

 

Well, I mean in the fact that it can, at a combustion engine, trying to find one.

Oh, I missed it. Yeah, of course. Yeah, if you’re going to get a used vehicle with the, without having to do the hybrid thing, you’re right that the prices are gonna go up on that.

 

That would start hoarding us.

So I gotta ask Matt. Matt, what do you think about hybrids? Would you stick with Jeep if the only thing they had to sell was a hybrid?

 

How much of it is the government paying for?

(Steve Laughs)

 

Government and quotations.

Well, it depends on who gets elected this next time because Trump has said he’s gonna do away with the tax credits for electric vehicles.

Yeah, I mean, we wouldn’t have gotten the four by way we have if the $7,500 off didn’t exist.

 

Wasn’t a non four by E cheaper even after the $7,500 credit?

So when we got ours in 21,

 

it was pretty much neck and neck, two liter and a four by E after the $7,500 tax credit were about the same price.

 

And I picked on you on this because I know that you really like your four by E. You really haven’t had any issues where you don’t care for it. I mean, you don’t drive it in straight EV mode very far, but it helps on your gas mileage

and so on and so forth. For very far in straight EV. Exactly.

 

15 miles.

 

You can get 25 if you milk it.

 

Plug in your USB charger.

 

I just can’t steer very well if it’s being milked. Hey Greg, we’re gonna put a stop to the show here. I wanna get you and a door pockets customer together.

 

Oh no. Bill. Well, hold on, hold on like

30 minutes.

 

I’ll listen, but I’m walking into a party store. So you guys can

hear me buy cigarettes. What kind of party store?

 

The one on the corner from my house.

 

(Laughing)

Oh, we can- Is it a other party store?

It can be quick, right? Do you wanna wait or you wanna just let it know now?

Let’s wait.

All right, we’ll wait for you, Greg. You’ll probably need your smokes for this one.

Oh, wait.

 

(Laughing)

I’m so excited. I got the titty box. We started shipping last week and I’ve

had five problems so far, five. Thanks.

 

(Laughing)

 

And I’ll tell you what, trying to put out those fires, because one, I feel bad. And a couple of the issues were 100% due to shipping.

 

We used the wrong tape, so it literally lost hardware facts.

 

All that fun stuff.

Well, that’s part of the fun.

Another guy, he ordered two front sets and we only shipped them one front set. So that’s another, you know, it’s all the little things. Hold on, I’m walking into the store here.

Hey, honey.

How are you doing today?

Good, how are you?

Good. Give me all your money.

 

(Laughing)

Luckily, you’re only in my ear and they can’t hear you. How are you doing?

This will be used in the trial.

 

(Laughing)

 

I don’t know what you’re all giggling about, but it’s not funny.

 

(Laughing)

It is us.

Oh man. Anything else, honey?

That’s it.

 

Go ahead.

Did you get a phone number?

 

No.

Greg, if you’re gonna keep putting up with all these guys, you might as well grab some beer while you’re in there.

(Laughing)

Yeah, I’m not a beer drinker though, so. Thank you so much.

You can start tonight.

 

No, no, thank you.

(Laughing)

 

All right, well, we’re gonna be talking to Greg here in a few minutes, so I’m gonna move over to, Matt, were you done? Were you done with the four by E? I guess you could live with a four by E Jeep in the future, depending on the tax credit, I think, is what I got from you.

Well, I mean, I think that’s the determination on the purchase. I mean, we didn’t really do it just for the fuel mileage or anything, and realistically, out of the 55,000 miles we have on it, probably maybe 10% electric or less.

 

So, I mean, there’s definitely some, we’ve done a lot of long trips and it is not the, it’s not the preferred vehicle for either long trips or towing, it fails on both those fronts, though.

 

Now, I had some really good luck doing a couple of long trips with the JTE.

 

I would put it in E save, which still uses the electric motor, just barely uses it. And as long as I went like below 65 miles an hour, it got amazing range.

 

But you gotta drive like, you know, a fancy at below 65 miles an hour. Mm-hmm, no. Been on the trailer?

 

(Laughing)

No, that was driving it. Like I went from, you know, we did,

 

posted it Vegas to Moab and made it almost clean, almost the entire trip without stopping for fuel once.

I’m helping them to sell them.

 

Well, we were going, I mean, we were going slow.

So, We were going slow. That’s the difference. I mean, it’s going slow. You know, I just, I just drove, and Matt just drove, both of us, just went to the Smoky Mountain Deep invasion and back. And, you know, one tank of gas, I didn’t get there from Charlotte to, you know, three and a half or four and a half hours away. One tank of gas did not make it.

 

You know, it, but I wasn’t driving slow.

There we go, I was just gonna ask.

I was gonna be 75.

Yeah.

 

Well, Travis, you’re a good one to ask because you currently have a four by E. If a hybrid was your only choice for a future Jeep, would you stick with Jeep or would you go with a used Jeep? Or maybe you would look for somebody else, maybe somebody else that was still selling vehicles with internal combustion engines.

 

Well, it’s got an internal, it’s got a nice engine. So I like that, but I’ve got two Jeeps. I’ll never get rid of the old one. It’s back home. I’m gonna always have ice. I like a lot of the features and a lot of, I like a lot about this technology. I like it.

 

I like, you know, a V8. I like, you know,

 

the 392 better.

 

There is a lot of like more, but it was that tax credit. It was that buying purchase point that sold me on it. I’m getting a lot of power for a reduced price. And that was it. I didn’t buy it for a gas saving vehicle. I didn’t buy it for, you know, yeah, it’s convenient. I can go to the grocery store and back and it’s free. I say free, it’s, you know, 20 cents of electric range or electric charge to me. You know, it’s great for short little runs and different things, but the reality of people buying it or the company selling it as a convenient vehicle, it’s truly, it’s not.

 

There’s a lot of pop perks and plositives to it, but for how they market it, I disagree with a lot of points. I was selling them. I realized that and I drove one for two weeks. And then I was like, yup, nope, I’ll do it. I understood what it was. And it’s also a Jeep. I didn’t buy a Jeep for gas saving. I didn’t buy it for the powered Scott, but I was just like, damn it. I can’t turn this down. It’s impressive.

I think Jeep did a good job.

What happens when you have to replace the $15,000 battery?

 

It turns into an ice. Yeah, it turns into an ice. But you know, if that happens before the 10 years or the nine years, it’s got,

 

that’ll be fun. And I hope it goes out before the nine years.

I hope it goes out at eight years and four months so that you get a freebie.

Yeah, correct. You and I both.

Until they go, oh wait, you’ve got bigger tires and you’ve got this. So now your warranty is employed.

And then you just say Magnus and Mossack. I’m not gonna avoid it for that. Then your lawyers.

I know. Yeah, I’ve got my warranty. Well, I’m warranty through Jeep knows I have all this equipment on it. And they’re, yep, it’s covered, it’s good.

 

I think what I would look at it, so if you had to pay, call it 10 grand extra or something a little more than that, I would, I personally would rather have, get a three six and put a blower on it as long as they don’t have the same experience that Roger had.

 

What’s the savings? I mean, what’s the average battery last, 10 years you say? So in 10 years, would you save enough in 10 years on a fuel to buy another battery?

They don’t know if the battery is gonna last 10 years cause they couldn’t test them that long. I look at the Tesla’s and stuff, they’re getting three to five years on a battery and they’ve got a really nice one. So they don’t know.

Five years gonna save you enough.

Yeah, but luckily they offered that warranty, right? So with that 10 year warranty, it’s a win-win. And honestly, if you’re allowed to plug in at work, it’s a win-win because it’s not spinning your electric meter at home.

 

And honestly, the power to rate ratio, the things are amazing to drive, they really are. So I’m not gonna knock them that much, but I’m on pins and needles,

 

throw it back to Bill and figure out what’s wrong.

 

(Laughing)

All right, so we’re gonna switch back to the door pocket woes

 

and Bill was complaining before you got joined in here, Greg. Bill, take it away.

 

No, so first I’ll say like the quality of the door pockets is awesome. Oh, they’re gorgeous. Like better than expected, like the texture, everything, you got it just right. So I was pretty excited. I kind of got the, you know, 730, I opened the box. I’m like, I’m gonna install these when I’m listening to the show. And then I’m missing my hardware and my instructions. So maybe mine was one of those where it slipped out of the box or something and shipping, but anyway.

 

Text me your info.

Yeah.

 

And I will priority overnight use some instructions and some hardware and a big fat apology.

 

No, like I said.

 

So we learned and I have, so now this is six. But we’ve had three with no hardware. We had one box that was opened and delivered empty. Wow. They delivered the box empty.

That was nice of them.

Yeah. Here’s what you didn’t get.

 

Right?

 

So we’re learning, like I’m looking at tape right now, switching from, so right off rip, like today, they were double taping. So they were wrapping it all the way around twice.

 

I’m looking at the, like that cardboard tape that has the– Yeah,

it’s got like the strings and stuff in there.

Yeah, and the downfall with that is

 

that’s gonna cost another 40 cents a box.

 

Wow. To use that tape, because it’s expensive.

I would just take the hit on the five or six that does don’t make it.

 

Is there a happy medium between the extreme super tape and the–

Obviously mine got here just fine.

I don’t, and that’s the problem is I don’t know, right? So I’ve just been basing my experience on the eight dozen packages that show up here in my shop every week. And looking at all of them, like since Monday, I’ve had, I don’t know, 20 boxes show up. And out of those 20 boxes, only one of them didn’t have that cardboard tape. So I think, I mean, even Amazon has their own made with their own label on it, right? And the reason that companies use it is because it works better. So maybe the paying extra for it and the machine is expensive, right? So you buy this little machine and when you pull the tape through, it wets it. So the bottom of it has,

 

you fill it with water and when you pull the tape through, it wets the bottom of it, which activates the glue.

 

But yeah, it works out to be, it was like 35 to 40 cents a box.

 

But if it prevents, we shipped out 170 packages and we know of at least six issues. Well, when I priority overnight hardware, that’s gonna cost me almost more than shipping the box in the first place. So if you do that six out of every hundred boxes,

 

it’s cheaper to buy the 35 cent tape.

Yeah.

So you just got to carry some Greg.

 

I’ve hauled boxes before and I’m sure whatever you got, they didn’t make them for you. There’s a lot of times, like there’s a lot of dust on the boxes, even in between the layers of boxes. Is it possible that you just got some dirty, some dusty boxes? Cause that’ll make the tape not stick. I mean, so maybe it doesn’t make a microfiber cloth and just, after you close the disc, run a microfiber cloth across it.

Well, and the other one I’m thinking of is, when they loaded those on the FedEx truck, right?

 

FedEx truck backed up, opened his door and 60 identical boxes were all hand loaded. And then, when he got to the depot, 60 boxes were unloaded and then sorted and then put in other things and then shipped and then put in other trucks. So there’s a lot of handling. Oh yeah.

And FedEx can be pretty rough too. Some of the stuff I’ve gotten from FedEx has been.

 

So how do you, Roger, do you just back up and hit the loading dock at like 20 miles per hour with the door open? Yeah.

I was really surprised how, I’ll just mention to anybody that’s thinking about getting the door pockets. And what we’re talking about here is, Greg’s been working on these door pockets that are OEM plus quality. They replaced the saggy door nets or hopefully like mine, mine aren’t sagging yet. So I’ll be replacing them before they get saggy.

And for anybody that’s too shy to buy them right off my website, which is unofficiallyuseonly.com, within a week or two, you’ll be able to buy them from Northridge 4×4.

Oh, that’s awesome. Oh yeah.

 

We’re gonna ship out two or three pallets of them to Northridge first of the week.

 

So anyway, their door pockets, front and rear doors, I think you can buy them separately now if you just want the fronts for like a two door.

 

But it replaces the nets and several people here and the team members and listeners have ordered the door pockets and installed them.

 

So everybody’s loving them. I called Greg today when I received, actually yesterday when I received mine. Because you can see pictures of the stuff, but whenever you actually look at it and see the quality of it, it’s like what you were saying, Bill. They’re fantastic. I mean, they are gorgeous. I mean, it looks like somebody made these things with a $140 stamp, $140,000 stamp, which– They did.

They didn’t make it with $140,000 stamp.

Of course, that’s how it was made.

 

Also– I know where your hardware is. Also for new Jeep owners and new listeners,

 

they do work with the 2024 with the electric seats. So it’s the only door pocket

 

or the only net replacement available on the market that works with the 2024 electric seats.

And how much they cost?

 

For a complete set of four is 150 bucks. So half the cost of my competition.

Damn cheap. And I think you said the shipping’s like 20 bucks or something.

 

Yeah, right now we, because we’re learning the website woes, which is not a fun thing for a guy who doesn’t computer.

 

Right now, shipping is a flat 20 bucks anywhere in the country, but we will change that basically. Once we have shipments to every state, we can go in the website and tell it that it’s this much for this state or this much for that state.

 

And you’re only shipping to the 48 states, the mainland of the United States, right? You’re not doing Alaska– No, we’ll actually ship.

 

Yeah, well, no, we’ll ship anywhere, but there is, it’s not 20 bucks if you want it to Alaska or it’s not 20 bucks if you want it to Hawaii. Okay, good.

 

Case in point, we have a couple of customers in Australia, one of who listens to this show, but I still haven’t called him because every time I look, it’s like three in the morning there.

 

But to ship one box to him is $200 a box.

 

Oh my God.

You can use the good tape.

 

Right, yeah. And I definitely want the good tape.

 

And we had a couple orders in China, which we actually refunded their money because when we Google Earth did it, it was a plastics building. So it was a manufacturing facility that ordered them.

 

So we just refunded their money.

 

But yeah, so and we’ve got a guy in Calgary and it was, I think $80 to ship to him.

So– It’s just amazing. I’ve had this situation when people, and I’m just so honored when people, and I’m sure you are too, Greg, when somebody wants to buy your stuff, I mean, they just want a Jeep talk show sticker, England. And I think it was gonna be like 40 bucks to send a sticker. And I said, hey, I’d love for you to have it, get a picture there in the jolly old state of England. Yeah, I say state.

So for those are the people on the show who got them, what did you, did you like the sticker? Because I put some extra effort into that sticker.

 

I didn’t get that either.

 

(Laughing)

It’s a nice sticker.

 

Oh, that’s great.

 

So that– Funny of all you would have got was just the hardware, Bill, that would have been funny.

Like normally, you know, dealing with the aftermarket and dealing with all these things, you know, like I get faces of stickers.

 

And traditionally I was looking at all the different stickers once somebody on the Jeep talk show mentioned that I needed stickers. And that was just a few weeks ago. I looked at the normal stickers and I could make

 

kind of like the stickers we gave away at SEMA. I could make those stickers and they would have cost me about eight cents a piece, which is your standard everyday sticker that everybody gives out. And I didn’t want to do that. I wanted something a little higher class. Now those stickers are UV stable. So they are designed to go on the outside of a vehicle, but you can see they’ve got that resin topping. So it’s kind of like a bubble. And I know Chuck hates them, but it’s a TV stable. It’s supposed to last on the outside of the car for the life of the car. They’re supposed to be really high end. And those things cost me like a buck. I think they were a buck 18 a piece instead of six or seven cents that I would have spent on a normal sticker. So I really want your guys’ feedback because you guys are the ones that told me to put a sticker in the box. So if you dig it, I’ll keep running that sticker. If you don’t dig it, I’ll go to a cheaper version or something different.

 

I like the sticker.

 

Man, I almost seemed to get buck 18 just to get one of the stickers.

I was looking at the door pockets. I mean, I kind of saw the sticker on there and I did notice that it wasn’t just a standard die cut sticker,

 

but yeah. I mean, either one would have been fine. I just wanted something with the logo on it. Fortunately, Bill had sent me one to go on the board behind me that you guys can’t see tonight. All right, well, let’s get off of this for right now. I’d like to welcome Gina. I think it’s Gina’s first time here.

 

And as always, they’re probably the last time, but we appreciate you being here this time, Gina.

(Laughs)

Not yet, not as scared me yet.

 

(Laughs)

So. Yes, you wait.

So, as I was asking everybody, the Toyota has announced no more ICE vehicles, all hybrid electric. If Jeep goes to all hybrid electric vehicles, are you done with Jeeps, buying Jeeps in the future?

 

Help me? Yes. Uh, I don’t, probably.

How do you, what do you think about EVs? I mean, do you mind the EVs? You think they’re a good idea?

I have no experience with any of them. Of course, you know, for the environment and stuff, I can see the pros and cons of it, or the pros of it, but I myself, I never even considered

 

doing the electric vehicles. My dad was a mechanic, so I always grew up being able to work on my own. So the internal combustion was one thing that I just, I know it, so I’m gonna stick with whatever I want, or whatever I know I can work on if I get broke down in the middle of nowhere, and then I can fix it and still get home.

Mm-hmm.

 

Very good. Again, welcome to us here. We hope we see you here every week.

Tony asked me. Tony asked me.

 

(Both Laughing)

 

So I get this feeling, Greg. I’m like Travis. Greg would like to answer the question about the Toyota, no more ICE vehicles.

 

Yeah, so there’s one, I was pretty certain that Toyota was working on a hydrogen platform, but maybe not. So I know a lot of the other companies are working on a hydrogen platform, which is still an ICE vehicle, but if Jeep went pure electric or pure hybrid,

 

I apologize profusely. I would just keep buying. I love Jeep. I love the brand. I love everything about it, but I would just buy old used ones. Yeah. I don’t want an electric one for two reasons.

 

One, if I needed to drive across the country, I don’t, I’m always in a hurry. You know, I’m a small business owner and I’m always in a hurry. So I can’t stop, you know, like I’m going from here to Moab, I can’t stop and wait six hours for my battery to charge or three hours or two hours or whatever.

I’ll drive 60 miles an hour to get there on a tank of gas and go take twice as long.

Right, I don’t want to take twice as long. I want to break every law. I want to do 85 to 90 across the interstate. And I want to fill up in four minutes. I don’t want to plug in and wait for two hours for it to charge. So that’s step one. Step two, when I built the JTE for Quadratec and we took that death battery out of the four by E

 

and we affectionately nicknamed it the death battery because we had to orden off 10 feet around the vehicle when we disconnected the battery because it can discharge that range. So if somebody was within 10 feet, it could kill them with the discharge because it’s a hundred percent discharge in less than a minute when it’s not plugged in.

 

And that’s a lot of amps running through your body. So that’s the second one. And the third one is, and I hate to say it because Gina just said it, but if you do any research, you will see that the manufacturing process for the current batteries is so much worse

 

on the environment than a gas engine.

 

The manufacturing process for those batteries,

 

I think you could drive 60 or 70,000 miles in your car before you’re even close to net zero.

 

So they really are worse for the environment than your average commuter car.

Yeah, smoke and mirrors.

 

Yeah, it’s a lot of smoke and mirrors. And that’s the hard part is you have to look to find that information.

 

The lithium ion mines are just absolutely destructive and disgusting and they’re using so much diesel and then the manufacturing process is even worse. So look at Chuck, right? Chuck keeps walking around and making noise. If you look in his garage, he’s got the CJ6, he’s got a couple old Jeeps. Those things are so much greener than any modern car because they’re still driving. They’re still on the road. They’re still in service 15, 16, 70 years later. Once you put all the computers in them– Not the scrambler.

Not the scrambler.

Well, yeah, not currently.

 

(Laughing)

But once you put all the computers in them, the lifespan of the vehicle is so much shorter, right? People are kind of used to buying a vehicle in two or three or four years later, they get another one.

 

Where old cars, if you maintain them, stay alive for a really long time.

 

And you’re not mining the metal, you’re not mining all the other stuff to make a new car. That one’s already been there. So the longer it

lasts, the cleaner it is.

 

Yeah, the longer it lasts, the cleaner it is. I mean, on this show, I got rid of my 1936 Studebaker that was still running and driving after almost 100 years. So,

 

I mean, that’s a very long answer, but it touches each individual point. I love Jeep and I will not stop owning and loving Jeeps until the day I die, but I would not buy an electric Jeep. I just wouldn’t do it.

Well, I guess also too, there’s always a possibility of dropping in a nice engine in a hybrid electric vehicle. I mean, you can always get a crate engine and do it the way you want to do it, as long as the government allows us to do those things, which I know that this part of what SEMA is trying to call attention to is the ability for us to work on our vehicles.

Yeah, did you watch the video?

I did not see it. Chris, he said something about it today, but I was busy working on stuff, but I didn’t know it was out.

Yeah, so I filmed a video for SEMA and it talks about the Biden-Harris EV mandate.

 

I mean, people need to actually download the EV mandate and read the entire thing so that they understand versus just watching a one minute video. But no, the video has been posted for a couple of days. I posted it on my own personal wall on Facebook

 

and Driving Force on Facebook actually posted it. That’s SEMA’s thing.

 

But just like normal things, Zuckerberg is already limiting the reach of these videos.

 

So they’re doing paid sponsorship. They’re sending it all over Michigan. It’s even on the radio stations, but on Facebook, they’re already limiting the reach. So I shared it. Normally when I share something,

 

I get a lot of views because I get a lot of people to follow my stuff and nobody’s seen it. There’s only been like four or five comments on the video in two days. So yeah, it’s a pretty good video. I dig it, but I actually did the research. When they asked me to do it and they told me they wanted me to talk about the EV mandate,

 

I gave them a hesitant, I need to look into it. And I did, I read that entire EV mandate and it took me hours because it’s a lot of pages.

 

And it’s pretty disgusting. Like they really wanna force the EV mandate

 

and they wanna completely ban the auto manufacturers from making stuff, but also hidden inside that EV mandate are things that really affect my business. And hidden inside of it, it says that as of a certain year, you’re not allowed to make aftermarket modifications to your personal vehicle, even if you own it outright. They’re trying to make it illegal for us to modify our vehicles.

 

Well, I’m gonna look for that video. I’m just kind of scanning your Facebook page right now.

Yeah, it’s like almost the last thing I posted on Facebook. You have to go to my personal Greg Henderson one and

you should be able to find it. I was on a future use only. All right.

Now I say that I’m the owner of unofficial use only, but I have not shared it to unofficial use only yet because I’m honestly hesitant for the blowback. Oh yeah.

 

I’m hesitant for the people that, because I don’t say vote for Trump. I don’t say any of that. I say vote against the EV mandate.

 

As if you actually read it, you know why I would wanna vote against it. Oh yeah. But I’m hesitant to post it on unofficial use only because there are already people saying, you’re gonna hurt your business by doing this. And on one regard, I don’t really care, but on the other regard, I do a little bit. This is my business and my livelihood.

You gotta be a smart businessman. We all can’t live like Chuck does. Speaking of Chuck, Chuck, I don’t see you, I mean, it took you this long to get a new Jeep. If they go hybrid electric, are you gonna stop buying Jeeps in the future?

Yeah.

 

Yeah, anytime a government tells you that you have to do something, it’s not for your best interest. It’s for the government’s best interest. So I’m good not doing what they tell me to. That’s me.

 

Yeah, I mean, I think that the battery power thing, probably the future, right? I mean,

 

more than likely that’s what’s gonna happen in due time and I’m not against that. I love innovation. I love outside of the box thinking.

 

I mean, look at what Elon’s doing with space travel. I absolutely love it. But when it’s shoved down your throat, there’s a hidden agenda. I used to work for the government. So we used to do shit that you find out, like, yeah, that’s not for the betterment of the country. It’s a betterment of a politician, right? Yeah, that’s sad. I don’t do it. And to caveat off of what Greg was saying,

 

we buy new trucks every two years and all the diesels, they have diesel exhaust fluid, right? Which is a smog deal. Boy, they only run 70,000 miles before you have to do a complete death clean out, which is six, seven, $8,000 here.

 

Well, what are they doing? They’re just getting more money. Because you pay more money, you gotta have more taxes.

 

And it’s the same thing with this whole EV thing.

 

They’re just doing it to get more taxes. You’re just gonna have to buy more batteries, just like with the diesel. The government, the EPA has really screwed everything up and made it really hard for us to run them. I got old, my seven three, it’s a 1996 seven three, runs top notch,

 

way better than my 2023.

Chuck,

 

I’ve got a question. Because you do a lot of trucks. And I have very limited experience, but I used to get to drive a truck and it was a,

 

was it a 2006 Dodge Ram mega cab with the 32 valve coming.

 

And it was a stick shift. And that truck going to Boeing, Boeing two Jeeps got like 23 miles to the gallon.

 

Last year I went and I rented a brand new 2023 Dodge Ram to tow to Moab. And I got nine miles to the gallon.

 

And I had to put Def in it. You know, do most of the old trucks get way better fuel mileage than the new ones too, in your experience?

 

Yeah, because they’re tuned for power, right? Optimum power.

 

And optimum power means that you’re gonna burn all of the fuel that’s going through it, right? Because if you don’t have optimum power, that’s unused fuel and that’s just unused,

 

there’s a lot of oil things that go through the diesels.

 

And they just don’t run as nice. Once they started computerizing them, and really when the death system happened, like my Peter built a 2007, and that’s the last year of a non-def semi truck. And I run circles around everybody else and I use half the fuel now, Roger’s gonna be on here and he’s got a very beautiful

 

2010, 2011.

 

And you know, he’s got more horsepower than I do.

 

The older stuff just was engineered to run because fuel just that your fuel consumption is your big deal. So I’ve got three, 23s, maybe a 22 and a 24 in there. And I run anywhere between four and nine miles per gallon. And I’m running death.

 

And my 2018, we just did some work to it where the death system is no longer needed. We did not do a delete for any of the EPA guys that are listening.

 

And it’s running way cleaner, it runs faster, less fuel. You know, just everything about it is so much better than my big red truck. I mean, I don’t know how many, you know, Jeep trips I’ve done with you guys where, you know, I show up in my 23 and it’s a great, big, beautiful red truck, but it gets four miles to the gallon and it’s gutless. Well, it goes into the shop here in two weeks. And we’re also gonna, you know, potentially make it where it doesn’t run that kind of crap, which is highly illegal.

So Chuck, I understand what you’re saying here, but we don’t like logic and facts and results. We need everything done through emotion.

 

Well, how about this? Buy round headlights and drink Coors. Fuck yeah.

 

(Laughing)

Hey Chuck, thank you very much for solidifying that for us.

 

I mean, you have a lot more experience in that realm than I do. That’s why I asked you the question because my limited experience taught me one thing, but I wanted the clarification and thank you for the explanation. That was very nice of you.

I mean, ultimately, I really believe Greg, you know, you and I chat often and Tony and I do too. Ultimately, I think, you know, battery power is going to be the future, but let it naturally progress, right?

Yeah. Because right now the technology essentially is in the dark ages for the batteries. I mean, with Elon or some of those other guys make some changes and I’m sure in a few years, we’re going to have amazing batteries, but right now they suck.

Well, the infrastructure, right? They just, it blows.

Well, and I’ve said this before, what we need is something that generates power. Kind of like when you burn gasoline, you’re not charging your vehicle with gasoline, you’re filling it up with a fluid that can be burned. So we need something along the same lines, but it creates electricity or through its process, it creates electricity and hopefully it does something that gives us a lot more range. Hell, I’d like to have a gladiator that was like a nuclear aircraft carrier where you just refill it every five to 20 years.

Mr. Fusion.

That’s right.

 

Did you see the video where like in Indonesia or someplace like that, they actually have battery charging stations for their Vespas or their little battery powered scooters where you roll up to the side, you put your old batteries in there, you put some pin number, you pay for it, you grab new batteries, stick it in your deal and keep going.

Oh, that’s a good way. It’s awesome.

Hard to do. So they’re doing that. There was a car in Japan, they’re doing that that’s hydrogen fuel cell. So you go up, you put your old fuel cell in, you take the new one out and you put it in the car and within a minute you’re back on the road and those things have like 400 miles of range on a hydrogen fuel cell. That’s about this big by about this big.

And they have something overseas where they actually,

 

the chassis was the battery. Do you literally just took the body off and put it on another chassis?

 

I don’t know what you’re talking about. That sounds stupid, Roger.

No, it was something that I saw on the top gear.

 

All right, we’ll think about that. We’ll do a little research on that while we go to John Lee. John Lee, what do you think? Hybrid electric for Rajeep? Is that, are you gonna try to keep yours for the rest of your life or maybe buy a new one in the future that’s hybrid electric?

 

No, I’ll probably keep mine.

 

I think the, I think the commuter side of the electric vehicles is actually probably a little better. And I would probably be a lot more open to that, especially for my daily commuting back and forth to work and stuff like that. But I’ll keep my Jeep for the long, long trips and when off-roading and just kind of keep it alive, I guess.

I guess you have to if you don’t wanna go with the new stuff. And at some point I kinda get the feeling that we’re old fogies. I’m not getting rid of my horse. My horse can get me home without me even telling it where to go, because she knows how to get there.

 

And I’m not against technology. I’m like Chuck and Greg. I think new technology is wonderful. But you can’t just say let’s do it. It has to be ready. I mean, I’ve made the analogy before about cell phones. Cell phones were great. They were dumb. You made phone calls on it. You might have texted on them. And then the smartphones came out. And nobody has a dumb phone anymore because the technology is just so wonderful. So that’s what we need to do with the automobiles is they need to come out with something that is just so wonderful that just doesn’t make any sense to stick with what we’re doing now.

All right, let’s– I’ll bet you within five years the batteries will have good technology. Just today they suck.

Yeah, well, and they’re a lot better than when I was a kid and even just 20 years ago. So there has been a lot of technological increases in the time, but it’s just like you say, it’s not time for it yet. All right, so let’s see. I went to Rich last year, last year, last week, it seems like last year, and he didn’t unmute. Let’s see if he’s gonna unmute this time. Rich, what do you think about hybrid electric? Is that XJ gonna be running for the next 20 years?

 

Hybrid electric, no, but I’ve considered doing an electric swap on it. If they can get the battery technology out there, I think it would be pretty cool.

Oh, it’d be a great off-road rig, wouldn’t it?

Yeah, as far as like everyday use,

 

I’m actually probably in a good spot for like a four by E, because my commute is a little under 30 miles

 

and we got a charging station right behind our shop there.

So I could

theoretically run it mostly on electric,

 

but other than that though, it’s not there yet. It’ll get there, but I’m more leaning towards the hydrogen side of things.

 

I’m more curious on where that’s gonna go.

Mm-hmm, so the people that are listening, I know that you’re, and I’m surprised Steve-O hasn’t said anything about it yet. We have dueling, and actually not even dueling, we’ve got a Quadrifonic Grasshopper Fest here. Greg has one, Chuck has one. I heard one at your place there, Rich. And I think there was one more person. Maybe it was just those three. But yeah, so if you’re hearing crickets, it’s not me playing a trick on you. The crickets at these locations were these gentlemen that have joined us tonight.

 

All right, was there anybody else that wanted to jump in on this question before we moved along?

 

Hey, this is Glenn from Louisiana. I got a couple questions. So the 4XC does not regenerate the battery? You have to plug it in when you get back home?

Yeah, it does not regenerate. Well, if you lived in the mountains and you were going downhill all day long, it does regenerate.

 

But for normal use, no, it doesn’t. The ice engine powers the vehicle just like the electric one does. So it doesn’t regenerate enough to keep it charged.

 

It does reserve about, it’s less than 1%. It’s got about 10% left in it. You can definitely juice it out, but it’s still kind of something similar to your stop-go on steroids. So it is region breaking every time you break anyways. The primary breaking system is that.

 

So you can maintain, like if you, you don’t put an e-save where it’s actually using as a generator,

 

your breaking system will bring you to a stop, shut it off, and then you’ll start out and go,

 

you have 200 yards and electric if you’re in a straight hybrid mode. So it does it to a point, but it’s not, if you have an e-save charge for long enough, you can charge the battery, but you’re talking hundreds of miles.

 

Okay, I’m both curious. I’m curious because I hate to admit it. I used to own a Prius.

 

That was a long time ago. That’s a long time ago. Like a true soldier, saving money.

 

Yeah, I used to drive 110 miles to one way to work every day. So I had to do some– 100% yeah.

 

But I will say I did lower the car, put bigger tires and other sway bars on it because I’m a racer at heart. But anyway, it’s a regenerative system, right? So when you slow down and while you’re slowing down, it would regenerate the battery and you could watch the battery go up and down. And that was all fine and dandy until that battery gave out on me and cost me $2,500 and left me on the side of the road.

Yeah.

 

Right. And then a couple of years later, I went through a second battery for another $1,800, $1,900.

 

And I was like, I saw somebody with a Prius at the fuel station. I said, get rid of it. Everything you’re saving right now in fuel economy, put all that money into another account, you’re gonna have to buy a battery.

No. No, they’re not cheap. Well, and so I drove a four by E through the pass. So through the Rockies.

 

And when I made it to the Eisenhower tunnel, so I went all the way up the hill from Grand Junction to the Eisenhower tunnel in E save. And when I got to the top, the battery was already, I think it was at like 7%.

 

And then I engaged the charge function and I went all the way downhill to Denver, only having to use the gas pedal, I think like three times.

 

And when I got all the way down to Denver, I had recharged the battery 19%.

 

So there’s not enough regenerative or regeneration to fully charge your battery.

 

Now you say that, and just me this past weekend, going over 441 from Bryson City Cherokee over to Smoky Mountain or to Pigeon Forge to the event. I left my house full charge, or my parents’ house full charge of battery. I get to Cherokee and all of a sudden Cherokee is 20 minutes away and I’m going slow. Again, this is 35 miles an hour, 45 miles an hour over the mountain.

 

I get there, I’m at zero charge. I go up the mountain in hybrid and then I come down the mountain. When I get down the mountain and I’m in Gatlinburg,

 

I had over 60% of battery from coming down the mountain. And on the way back, again, I did it and I had on my round trip, a little over 100 miles, over half of it was electrical only going downhill. I mean, no gas was used. It was, I mean, zero charge, it’s rebuilding and I’m driving down the mountain for free.

 

That’s the only time that ever happens. My daily commute, I’ll drive to work. I get 15 miles of electric range because I’m highway and back roads both.

 

And then I drive home, if I’m sitting in traffic, I may have two miles with that zero charge just from breaking and everything. I’m like, hey, I got home, I’m two miles of electric range. There are variations and do we- Yeah, there’s variations. Never push the save on.

Wait, how long does it take?

 

The biggest deal here, Greg is, Travis, you live with your parents?

No, my parents live in the mountains and I went to visit them this past weekend.

All right, just making sure, bro. Cause I thought, dude, if we need to go go fund me page for you, like we would do that.

Hey, I’ve got it. So the other one with the E save or not the E save, but the electric, because I was fortunate enough to play with one for a little bit. The one thing that bummed me out the most is the charger that they send with the car. When you buy the four by E, you get the normal wall plug. And if you drain that battery to zero, just for somebody out there who’s thinking of buying a four by E,

 

make sure you upgrade your charger because the charger that comes with the car, if you plug it in, it takes about 14 hours to go from zero to a hundred percent. So that means when you get home from work, you better plug it in so that in the morning you have a full charge again.

I got it. There’s also other unexpected expense of an electric vehicle is the cost of having a hundred amp service for a good charger installed in your home.

Yeah, if you’re not an electrician then you can do it for a hundred bucks. You’re paying three grand for an electrician to come out and do it for you.

 

When you go from the ice engine over to the electric and you’re going full electric, what do you call the gas pedal?

 

It’s still the gas pedal because if you put it all the way to the floor, the ice engine still fires up.

It’s a volume controller. It’s a volume controller.

 

It’s an accelerator pedal.

 

I want to know what all this electric talk is coming from.

I don’t have a gas pedal in any of our trucks.

It’s because not everybody has a Hemi like you Keith.

 

No, he wanted to drop that, didn’t he?

Go into bigger engines.

 

I was curious because it’s obviously not that big of a thing to, well obviously you don’t buy a Jeep or fuel economy.

 

So I didn’t know if it was like how that compared to like the diesel Jeep and fuel economy. But the other thing was you talked about the tax credit. One of the guys I work with over here, he bought a Tesla and this past year he had to pay like $2,000 to $3,500 in road taxes because he doesn’t buy fuel anymore.

What state are you in? They’re going to start doing that in all the states.

Glenn, what state are you in?

 

Louisiana. Louisiana, California just passed that deal because they pushed EV so hard. And then all Mr. Newsome just fucked everybody and said, “Oh yeah, we’re not getting fuel tax. So now you get a road tax.”

 

Yeah. Yeah.

 

How many- When he told me that I was like, damn.

 

How many tons of these used battery? I mean, because what I understand is you can’t recycle this crap.

So how many- No, they can recycle them. There’s a couple of new recycling facilities that have popped up and they can recycle them. It’s like 98% of the battery is recyclable. Okay. But it costs more than the cost of the battery to recycle it.

Yeah, shipping them to Indonesia and letting kids bury them is not recycling them, Greg.

No, there’s actually a US company that is building two giant recycling facilities and they did figure it out, but it’s so expensive. They’re just banking on the fact that the government’s going to start forcing you to recycle them, which is going to be another charge.

 

You can look at that. Wow.

There’s a lot of tons.

 

There’s the damage.

 

And the pollution of waste from the brakes and tires from the added weight, they use like 10 times more brakes and tires.

 

Well, the four by E is 800 pounds heavier than an identically equipped Rubicon. So if you take a four by E Rubicon and a regular Rubicon parked next to each other, the four by E is 800 pounds heavier. The battery is 400 pounds and then the motor and all the cooling system is the other 400. So it’s 800 pounds heavier, but it’s really down low. So it’s a…

 

Here’s something else to think about too, is that with all these heavier vehicles, I saw they were doing tests on the crash barriers on the interstates now. Oh yeah. These vehicles are just rolling through that stuff. So now you’re going to have the extra cost of upgrading all the crash safety barriers along the interstate. So where’s that money going to come from?

And the tires were faster as well because of the weight. Yeah.

Well,

 

that’s why Camilla wants to take your…

 

What the hell is it? What did they say?

 

Yeah, I screwed that one up because now I can’t even say it. Unrealized.

It’s your story, Greg.

Yeah, unrealized capital gains. Yep.

Oh God.

 

They want to tax unrealized capital gains.

Yeah, they want to tax you money you don’t have.

If your property value goes up from a hundred grand to 200 grand, even though you don’t sell it, they’re going to tax you 28% on the new value of your house. This is California. This is exactly why I left. No, she’s trying to push it. She’s trying to push it nationwide.

No, he’s saying things.

They already do it. This is the same shit that they did. Mom and dad bought their house.

Did you just say they already passed it nationwide?

 

No. Oh. No.

But it’s all assets, not just your home. It’s anything you own.

Stock included.

Yeah. Yeah. Anything. Even to…

 

So basically if you finish up your scrambler and you make it, you know, right now it’s worth 500 bucks. If you finish it and it’s now worth 20 grand, you have to pay…

 

Yeah, but once you finish it and it’s worth, you know, 30 grand, you’re going to have to pay tax on it because it went up in value while it was in your possession.

You don’t ever say that the scrambler’s only worth $500, Greg. That thing has got a nice winch on it.

 

All right, 675.

 

All right, well, the Zoom meeting continues on even after we stop recording. You should be here to enjoy it, not only during the recording of the show, not even after the recording of the show, but before the recording of the show because we start at the Zoom meeting about 7.30 p.m. Central time. You can get in here and introduce yourself or maybe get a conversation going. And then I will very rudely interrupt you at 8 p.m. Central time to record the show.

 

See, I think it was last week. There were two people left in the Zoom room when I walked through the office here, the studio, and it was one o’clock in the morning. And I think it was Bob and Mike. We’re still talking. One o’clock in the morning. There’s nothing wrong with that. You can stick, hang around the Zoom meeting as long as you like.

 

All right, so coming up on our next Jeep Talk Show interview show, Robbie Bryant of Overlanding, or not Overlanding, Overland of America.com. This is a big, big event happening September 13th through 15th in Jay, Oklahoma. It’s a great centrally located place in the United States. This is something, this is the first one that Robbie’s doing here at Jay, Oklahoma. And it just sounds huge. You’ll have to listen to this interview just to get a feel for what I’m talking about. And this isn’t Robbie’s first rodeo. This isn’t a rodeo, but you know what I’m saying.

 

And so he’s been involved in the industry for many, many years, and now he’s doing an event. So I think, I’m a believer, I think it’s gonna be a really good event, and I think it’s gonna be a great event straight out of the gate the very first time.

 

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For the Jeep talk show with ho Tony Josh Wendy and Chuck All right So we’re gonna be asking the roundtable attendees that means you a series of questions if you’d like to submit your questions for future Roundtable episodes and don’t bitch about the interface Steve whenever you can’t figure out how to click the button to submit the roundtable, but thank you for

 

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Alright, so this is actually a Steve O question and the one he left today So what part was absolutely wonderful is a great part You love you got it for your Jeep and I guess it doesn’t have to be for the Jeep But you love it. You love the part, but it had no or bad instructions I know we talked about this I think it was last week and you guys were complaining about I think it was actually was Chuck complaining about the motor built Skid system didn’t have any instructions

 

I think it was just a drawing a series of drawings that that comes with the motor belt skid system I mean, it’s kind of like you fit the the the round peg in the square hole and put a bolt in it It’s it’s pretty simple

 

So, this is a map North Carolina and then my hunt for death wobble survival I Put on I basically fixed it but I put on the steer smarts sector staff brace and track bar Reinforcement bracket and I actually posted on discord this weekend with Chuck where they had they hadn’t included instructions and included a QR code and then also the size of the socket for removing the

 

Sector shaft bolt on the steering pump was one millimeter off So I had special order of 50 42 millimeter socket and the sector shaft bolt that stock is 43

 

I love that

 

All right, Steve from Chicago. So mine was I ordered some fender liners from Rugged Ridge It was a three-piece liner said I got through North Ridge And my buddy had I like to look on his Jeep and I went to put them in but the instructions worked their core instructions, right But the fender liners are black and they’re installing them on a black Jeep

 

So you get the black the brackets are black the nuts and bolts are black So you really have no depth perception you’re trying to look at of course I’m wearing my reading glasses now and I you just can’t see any definition of the lines of what they’re trying to show in the instructions

 

So that was it was it was a lot bigger struggle than it needed to be in my opinion They used a white red green, whatever Jeep other than the same color as the part

 

See this is this is Greg from Michigan and all these things so far really excited me because yesterday we actually packed our first 56 sets of pre-orders and They’re actually gone FedEx has them. We’ll be packing some more in the next couple days But our instructions I put a QR code in the box

 

But the QR code is attached to the paper instructions that are in black and white with high definition photos and All the words so if you could only read you can still install them if you can look at pictures you can install them or if you’re a New kid who plays with all the fancy gadgets. You can also Scan the QR code because I hate not having real world paper instructions in my box

 

And if you guys don’t know know Greg Greg is an unofficial He’s only he’s been doing a lot of stuff for a number of years mainly building vehicles for customers and now he’s making parts For vehicles and he’s talking about his door pockets. I get today. We shipped out the very first 56 sets

 

Today oh, yeah It’s close to a year from not initially conception before whenever the process started, right? It’s actually over a year. Oh, wow So the first prototype set was put on the JTE for quadratec and that would have been almost two years ago

 

But since we started dealing with the manufacturing company and figuring out and you know Deciding them make the tool and all the other parts. Yeah, it’s it’s been just over a year

 

Congratulations on getting to this getting this far in the process As I was gonna say Greg has a solution for those saggy nets on the the JL than the JT. It’s it’s a nice plastic Door pocket and and correct me on any of this Greg. It’s not like nobody has a solution That there are solutions out there for the saggy door nets, but they’re generally I’ll just say it they’re fucking ugly I And this and this is a very nice factory. I always like to call Greg’s stuff OEM plus So it it looks OEM, but whatever you really examine it you go. Well, this is really nice so and I think anybody that Has these door pockets coming in you’re gonna be really really excited about seeing them on there because it’s it looks factory I’d like to see jeeps are doing these things get rid of the nets and start using your door pockets Greg Oh if they want to use my door pockets, they’re more than ready because our tool is done and ready and we are printing parts so You know took a long time coming and a lot of effort and oh my god more cash than I could ever dream of

 

but We’re doing it and I’m off screen because I’m actually grabbing one right now Those cuz Roger was grabbing you know, yeah, this one had the saggy net on it

 

No, I threw the saggy net away

 

So here’s here’s a door

 

This is factory door

 

That’s the

 

It’s got the logo on it. Oh, I know what I’m doing this weekend. Isn’t that nice? Yes

 

And it unlike some of the competitors

 

Because this stays flush If you have a 2024 model year with the electric seats it does work

 

We saw on one of the JL pages on Facebook that I Think it’s the DV8 set doesn’t work with the 2024 electric doors and I’m pretty certain that the American adventure lab ones because those are their two biggest competitors and you know again, they’re a great product, but To me they’re not refined enough. They look like origami. It looks like somebody

 

Took a piece of paper and folded it up and it’s got all these hard crease lines because they break bend them And we wanted something that looked like It came with your Jeep from the back. Yes, that’s the nice thing. I mean you get the you get additional features and

 

Still remain keep the the overall style of the vehicle

 

It will fit you know like

 

It fits your

 

It fits all your bottles, you know, this is something interesting that raptors drinking but that fits just without a problem

 

It’ll even fit your girlfriend Stanley So And then the rear door pockets are even bigger I don’t have one mounted on a Jeep, but this is what the rears look like

 

It’s funny Roger walks away while he’s saying that

 

So that’s a rear And if you can kind of tell based on How deep the cavity of the tool is? You know if I put my arm across it

 

This this fits a lot more so this the rear door you can put like children’s tablets or other things fit and with this On the plastic of the door

 

This part will even fit a full-size oil can you know oil?

 

container

 

And we also have a cup holder that goes along with it the cup holder won’t ship for another few weeks, but You know we I call it the trash can because it looks like a trash can but This cup holder snaps into the molly on the rear door

 

So that means if you want if you want your kids armed you can put a molly gun holster back there too Yeah Yeah, that’s gonna ship separate The tool isn’t completely finished for that. So that ship separate it is it is being done, but it’s not here yet. So Which sucks because I have to eat a little more shipping on the pre-orders, but

 

That’ll ship separate and there’s a few people who ordered just ordered one We’re just gonna give them two and then as one other fun part we were talking about it last night we don’t know if we’ll do it, but I Think we’re gonna put once the once the pre-orders done on the door pockets We’re gonna go live with another promotional special that says If you can prove that you have one of the competitors products installed on your Jeep

 

We will give you the cup holders for free, which is $50 off

 

So I know you can’t do it because the cost involved but it would be pretty funny if the cup holder you actually made it a trash can so you could get a full-size trash can And the flexible nature would make it nice because you could overfill it and then put extra extra trash in it Well tell you so so just for For people to understand and I’ll grab it again

 

So this is again the cup holder and it fits, you know multiple different things, right? So

 

all the way up to very large ones because the cup holder is A Plastic or rubber so it’s flexible. So when you put something large in it, it just expands on the inside

 

But the tool for just this part

 

Made in the USA is over $20,000. Yeah

 

The one you have in your hands is 3d printed. So that’s that one was not made with the tool, right? Yeah, the one in my hand took 14 hours on a 3d printer on an industrial 3d printer To make it out of this material. But so this this was not cheap at all

 

Because I don’t own that printer so I had to pay for it but

 

Yeah, the tool for just this part and there’s three parts here in my hand. So just this part was over 20 grand And then on the inside the actual molly lock There’s a piece here and then you can see a screw in there and then there’s a piece on the outside and that’s this is we’re patenting that but it’s So it slides into the molly and when you turn it that locks it in place That’s why we call it twisted molly lock and we can so just the lock portion is what we’re patenting And that’s so that we can also put Holsters on it, you know, you could put a holster on that and lock it on your molly You could put really anything you want to do attached to molly. We could use it to hang on it So the the actual if you’re watching and watching this on on YouTube, which you should just go to YouTube and search for Jeep talk show the the 3d printed part that Greg was showing kind of has lines in it like what 3d printed parts do and With the screen good enough to see that I can see it Yeah, and so you won’t see that and the the ones made in the the the die press the tool It’ll be no and I don’t know if you probably can’t see that but on the inside of it Trying to get a light behind it My logo Yeah, oh cool. Is it dishwasher safe? Yes Yes, it is It’s it’s pressure washer safe. It’s definitely just washer safe as far as It would be river safe. We even put drainage holes in the bottom So it can’t get over full and so that even Condensation like if you pull this out of your dramatic fridge and drop it in there The condensation wouldn’t trap and you know, it would drip out So they can escape to see no Rick

 

You could fit a whole bunch of ducks inside of this I can’t believe you said that

 

Yeah, well that’s when it comes in as the trash can you just throw the ducks in the trash can

 

On Allison’s birthday, how dare you? Alright, so is it Allison’s birthday? That’s what I’ve seen posted online that it was either yesterday or today I think it’s today

 

Still shame that she oh very much not with us anymore The tradition she made it’s horrible that she’s not with us. Yeah, because she did do a good thing So let’s jump over to Travis who we’ve already heard speaking Travis. You were here late So you may not have heard the question what part you got what what part did you was just absolutely wonderful? But you got no or bad instructions

 

My Light bars for my YJ back in 1993 when I purchased that I Don’t recall any instructions whatsoever To have that installed

 

It was not difficult, but I was also a kid installing it I figured it out. I got it done, but it was a time-consuming process and A headache from what I remember and then that Jeep was it was totaled and I bought my second in 92 as well

 

And I figured it out. It was much quicker process, but I do remember just The nightmare of figuring that out everything else as far as I could recall had instructions Do I open them do I look at them? every Everything everything that I purchased for my Forex II I bought second hand So I did not have the instructions Did not initially ask for help, you know, I’m with my buddies. We’re all getting everything installed. I Did have to pull out, you know go online to find the instructions to have things mounted installed But you figure it out you learn the hard way. I definitely It was my suspension I was putting I can’t remember what it was backwards with my rock crawler suspension and Had we dropped the Jeep off the lift, you know and brought it down off the lift. I’ll drop it. It would have Been damaged but we caught that After we pulled the instructions back out to do it because I don’t put lists on that often It’s not something I do on a daily basis

 

I’ve helped I’ve been a part of but This doing it myself doing putting my own on it was Yeah, I’m glad I did read them after the fact and that was rock-crawler. They had everything It’s a good idea that even if you don’t I mean a lot of stuff is intuitive But it’s a good idea to just cruise through the instructions. It actually will speed up the the process if you go through It’s one of the reasons why like going to YouTube and and seeing how somebody did it on YouTube Because it’s like this is where this part is. This is this is I can identify They have those you know, they have that those those sheets of instructions that have bolt sizes and nut sizes They’ve got 27 nuts on there. They’re different sizes. They all look the same on the the handout

 

It’s just like you know So sometimes it just helps to to be see what somebody else is doing it and get a good size Reference with them putting it on there. All right, so Aquaman Arkansas Aquaman has his hand raised and if you’re you’re here on our Zoom meeting you can raise your hand too if you’d like to get in on this conversation. What you got Rick? Oh cool Well, I’m just proud that you saw my hand raised. That’s pretty pretty exciting. Um, a couple things

 

Most recently, I just put Some old man emu Coils in and when I got the coals and I mean I didn’t think nothing about it. I mean their coils you stick them in

 

Then I got to looking at them and they one of them had part a and one of them had part B So then I was like, oh, what’s this? So then I start looking at it and one of them is supposed to be a heavier spring than the other So then I get to looking around and I can’t find it anywhere where it tells me which one Goes where and I started calling around and asking around eventually I found out the information But just for something as simple as a coal spring you think that you know, you think that is pretty pretty cut and dry But turns out the a part number is is the heavier spring and and in the front They want you to put that on the driver side because of you know, you got some fat bad boys. Yeah the fat boy side Yeah, the fat boy side and in the other thing that and you know, that wasn’t that big of a struggle But it was kind of annoying that I was kind of paused You know for about an hour while I was trying to research and figure out where this cool went when I was ready to put it in but

 

The other thing was I think it was the savvy

 

cable the the

 

transfer case selector for the TJ Because I went from you know, the stock one is trash. And so I got one of the cables selector cables and installed that and it just took me a while because there was a lot of doodads with that and both ends and Making sure I got it You know just in right The instructions were just pretty much, you know, yeah, you put it in No, it wasn’t wasn’t to me. It wasn’t very clear instructions and it took me a while to figure out and I had to move some pieces from one end to the other and try that and Just because they’re getting it I mean once I got it dialed in and that thing is so easy to shift from you know It’s nice isn’t it from yeah from to to wheel to for high and for low and everything It just man. It’s awesome. Yeah, I think there’s a lot of people out there that are very good technically or mechanically But they’re not good in technical writing and it’s Just from the but a hands-on type person whether it be computers or Jeeps or whatever I much rather be doing it or making the part or Making it work and then being happy that it works exactly the way I wanted to work and and not writing instructions on how to use It’s like well, I figured it out you figure it out

 

And for both of those maybe that’s something that’s just general knowledge that most Jeep people know with I started Instructions are critical and good instructions is an art form

 

All right, so oh I know somebody that has either for his his own vehicle or

 

Professionally rich have you run across that a wonderful part, but it had no or bad instructions I Bet your rich is taking a tire wheel off his XJ as we speak George how about you do you do you have a part or something that you installed and that this did really didn’t have very good instructions?

 

George from Michigan. No most of the time I go to YouTube that being said I’m I’m looking forward to getting my Package my door packets from unofficial you show me so we’ll see how those directions are We can actually give the manufacturer a hard time right here on the round table Where are you at George?

 

Elmont, Michigan, I think I’m only about less than an hour from you Okay, cuz it was funny yesterday when we were Packaging up the or getting ready to send out those first 60 or 56 sets There was one of the shipping labels it was and

 

Just to kind of back up but the the production facility or the manufacturer where we’re actually making them is in Clinton Township and Okay, so one of the orders was literally like six miles from the And yeah, and we joked about it I almost put him in the Jeep and drove to the guy’s house and knocked on the door yesterday but

 

Instead we let FedEx take it because I didn’t want that to be weird For buying my part what a great promotional video that be Yeah, I really thought about doing it. I was gonna do it. I was I even brought a couple hats I dropped a couple hats and a few of the boxes and I thought you know I can go to the guy’s house and drop them off and give them a hat but then I was like You know that might be kind of creeper weird so

 

What about a story that that person would have told for a very long time? I think that you need to get you need to get some videographers involved in that process. I think that’d be really funny And the creeper it would be it would be the better because people would love seeing that I think they go Oh, that’s is really creepy. I got to order some door pockets Well, I’ll tell you what if if we’re when we’re packing to the rest if I find the one if I personally see it That says elm but I might actually just drop it off Like that’s I only work at the next city over from Clinton Township. So It’s funny. I’m not very close. I grew up. Yep, right there So what happens if the the person they and they know that where they live and they’re going oh I could have met Greg and he decided not to bring it by that’s not weird to come on by Greg All right, so let’s let’s let him finish let him finish his answer I As soon as he said, Michigan, I’m sorry go right ahead

 

No, that was it I’m it’s real Clinton Township’s local to me so I grew up right there It’s that’s mine, you know, so you’re freaked out if I’d have knocked on your door last night. Oh, yeah I Know I recognize you

 

So be someone’s wife and they’d be like my husband order what oh my god, I didn’t think about that. Thank God. They’re cheap Yeah, thank god

 

Body dude cheap, it was only $10,000 All right, so let’s all glens on the screen Glenn Let’s let’s ask you have you ever had a part that you just the fart was perfectly fine Did what it was supposed to do and you liked it, but it had no or bad instructions

 

Glenn from Louisiana, so I think my biggest thing is I usually don’t go to the instructions until I’m too far into the project

 

They’re both those both those apply

 

Bob they’re working on cars since I was 15. I’m 54 now. So

 

I’ve had a lot of experience and

 

putting stuff together rebuild motors and so I’m kind of just dive into it and see what happens I Very cool very very cool. All right. Let’s see who who has not answered. Oh, I see Chris is here Chris Did you hear the did you hear the question about the parts and the instructions? I didn’t see when you joined

 

Wjcris come on down

 

Yeah, I

 

Actually, I’ve never really had one that’s not been good

 

But Where there was a confusing lucky when you were doing the long arms on your now deceased WJ was that

 

So rough country actually when I bought that system from them it actually had a really good

 

Like paper book that told you down to what hole down to what bolt down to the spec everything and And so whenever I Put mine together even whenever they do the black on black contrast the part you’re installing is actually they painted it gray

 

Like a really bright gray

 

Interesting very good

 

So even though we’ll give them a really crappy time about all their stuff being junk they do really good instructions

 

And some of their parts are good. I will say oh Yeah, absolutely. It’s just I think whenever you’re buying stuff. It’s hard to you. How much of it. Do you want to? Spend the roulette wheel and see if this is one of those parts and which is not the part I mean like I Well my xj everything I put on my xj to start with was rough country and I did it because I couldn’t afford the $3,000 stuff and that’s money but back in the early 2000s I’m not afford I couldn’t afford all that high dollar stuff I mean my god So if I want to do a lift I could just save up my money collect the aluminum cans on the side of the road And then get one of the big deal things and also too you never know whenever there’s the the big deal kits that come out that They put a big price on it that really isn’t worth that I mean when you’re starting out You don’t know so yeah, I did the rough country stuff and I found that the heavy-duty track bar Was not heavy-duty enough For my xj, and I didn’t do much wheeling with it because the overheating issue driving it very far and I bent that thing and I think I drove it for like three months with the steering wheel kind of crooked because the the Heavy-duty track bar screwed up on me and and later. I replaced it with well They actually did great customer service and sent me another one But I actually replaced that with one from Iron Man four by four fab calm and that one don’t bend I mean, I’m sure there’s some way I could do it, but it’s just it’s just really beefy so And the price on it was very very similar to what the rough country was so Price performance is what I say

 

Yep all right. Let’s see rich. Are you back? I

 

Think so rich is back rich. I was asking maybe you’ve already heard this, but what part was wonderful But you had no or bad instructions, and this is personal and professional Oh I’m trying to think because I deal with a lot of different parts Do you read instructions or do you look for them later? I’m usually just kind of glance over them and Everyone’s all look through there to see if they have any special torque specs and whatnot but For the most part

 

TeraFlex has been decent Off the top of my head, I can’t really think of I know there’s a few other ones I just can’t think of them at the moment so is there are other manufacturers that you prefer So is there are other manufacturers that you prefer because of the the quality of the instructions I mean you mentioned TeraFlex are decent is there ones where you get a customer and they want blah blah blah And and you go okay great. This will be this will be a piece of cake I mean, I know some of the stuff you do so so many times you don’t need the instructions, but is there a Manufacture where the instructions are just really good, and you know if you’re gonna have any issues You just go there and you can find the question very easily Or the answer easily

 

Usually the TeraFlex is pretty good about that rough country. There’s someone said before They’re very good about it And There’s I know there’s other ones There’s a lot of them that are more on the Toyota side of things that are very good Icon stuff like that They’re they’re pretty good

 

But yeah, there’s for the most part you can find a lot of the instructions online somewhere

 

The the other thing is a lot of companies are doing the videos now instead of paper instructions so you have to go through and find the YouTube video of how they install it and Some of them are up to date and some of them are a few years old and they’ve made some changes since then so it’s yeah That’s true

 

So how many people here love the Northridge the Northridge videos? I think they do great videos installation videos

 

Yeah, I found the water tech ones are the best in my opinion, but then I buy it in Northridge anyway When I’m looking through the instructions I’m usually looking for that gotcha thing that that one little thing that if you don’t put you put this real complicated thing together and then and Then you get to go to put it in and you realize there’s that one little thing you had to put in first That’s how you got to take it all apart to put that one thing in that’s what I’m always looking for is that gotcha thing All right, well if anybody if nobody else has anything to add to this We’ll we’ll jump over to our next question. So this is kind of a this is an opportunity for You guys to mention other shows of their podcast that you guys listen to and you enjoy

 

We’re not gonna hear the Jeep talk show. We’re not gonna pretend. We’re the only podcast out there and who’s that Joe Rogan guy? So is there any other off-road shows that you watch or listen? To I mean Then there’s plenty of time of the day to watch more than one show or listen to one more than one show And I’m sure you guys do so. Let’s so let’s go with Mike Mike’s iPhone It’s what it’s listed here Mike. Is there any other show that you listen to assuming you do listen to the Jeep talk show

 

Yeah, I usually listen to that one and then I also did the on the trail with Kevin and Scott. Oh good. Yes. Yeah

 

Pretty much about it me

 

Did you see where

 

Kevin not Kevin I’m brain farting on the name Scott. Did you see where Scott sold his his LJ? I Heard he put up for sale. I didn’t realize it’s all I saw it on Facebook It’s it’s going away and it’s that’s so sad to me. I mean, he’s he’s got a gladiator and I understand The I’m sure the gladiators all things I think he’s still driving the gladiator. He’s just got the wrong color. I think it was black And but yeah LJ going to a new home And doesn’t he have an older one too or his girlfriend does I? Don’t know Okay

 

World War two

 

One I think oh nice His girlfriend had a Early one. Yeah. Yeah, I think we were Putting it back together. I think they had an episode or two of that too So so was that a girlfriend requirement? Did he have to does she have to have a Jeep to be a girlfriend?

 

Well for me it does All right, Matt you you just spoke up Matt I’m gonna pick on you what what other shows do you listen to and I Let you guys know I am making a list here and you will be paid back for mentioning the wrong shows

 

Um Jeep wise I really have had a hard time finding anything really solid so there’s there’s On the trail, but other than that like I’ve listened to some of Matt’s in from metal cloak and Cory and Jesse do

 

Do one and But it’s a little bit less about jeeps and kind of more about their travels. That’s modern jeepers. And so it’s You know, I pray I’m listening to that in a year, but I don’t know I mean, there’s really not a lot of great off-road ones all I’ll subscribe to one listen to a couple episodes I’m not even get through one or two of them. Oh, it’s so difficult. There’s so many choices out there We’re very blessed that you guys show up here for the the the roundtable every week. It’s just it’s an amazing. It’s a gift Absolutely. I mean we try to do the best show we can do so that you do come back But yeah, it’s it’s very nice for all you guys and it’s wonderful seeing a lot of new names here in the zoom room We really appreciate it So is there what do you got that? What do you listen to or watch that? isn’t initially off-road related do you have a are you are you into the those What was it crime and murder type things because I know a lot of the women are not not picking on you Matt But some of those mysteries are interesting But I don’t really listen to it on like on the day-to-day, you know commutes to work or anything But one that we my wife and I listened to and one of our longer trips Is a National Park after dark and it’s it’s kind of a true crime, but it’s that’s Sounds like that could be really bad

 

Specifically it’s it’s like a warning around national parks and national forests. And so it’ll have you know stories of you know You know some true crime style stuff You know Where people went out and survived something crazy in a national park, you know, they the grizzly grizzly and bear attack stuff They’ll talk about so it’s it’s two younger gals. I think they’re both in and Colorado or something now, but it’s they’ve got a lot of good Solid stories and they’re good storytellers. So that’s more of a they literally will go, you know, kind of You know read through or you know recount a tale people that are good storytellers are are really special people. It’s it’s difficult to tell a Story and it make it interesting and maybe not give away too much so that keeps you interested in the story

 

Roger’s a good example of a bad storyteller Roger’s like what what do I story tell about?

 

Your ear stuff like that Was either recycle the air recycle there that Yes, circulation button the circulation. Yes

 

All right. Well we picked on Roger we haven’t picked on Travis yet No, we’re not done. So let’s let’s go to Kevin Kevin Do you listen to other off-road shows or watch other off-road shows and if so, what?

 

Do people need to quit going to the bathroom go to the bathroom for the show starts

 

How about you Greg I know Greg’s ready to he’s right there he’s gonna be jumping on really quick look he’s not he’s not even unmuted so Greg unofficial use only mr. Door pocket

 

I’m here. I didn’t realize I was muted either. Oh, go ahead Kevin. So Kevin do yet Do what other shows do you listen to her watch off road? Yeah, I listened to the snail trail with the Tyler from more flight for a while the snail trail That sounds like something from light bright. Oh wait. That’s their only fans

 

Wrong snow, man I listened to wheeling wine and whiskey for a while They’re both out of like the Northern California area. I have not heard of that one They do a lot of kind of they do the wheeling and then they’re also very into like their local wineries and whiskey manufacturers, so That’s kind of interesting if you’re into those things And then a non off-road one. That’s really good if you’re into just mechanical and like vehicle history Is dork emotive by Brian loans?

 

Very nice. All right, Greg’s back. We didn’t hear you flush Greg. So that’s good You need you mute that Mike whenever you need to know I was getting a Mountain Dew and a meat stick

 

So Greg is there another another show that you listen or watch I’m Amy or one that you that you’re on I mean, I know you’re recording something a while ago that that with Courtney. What’s your name? Oh Well, that was a TV show that wasn’t a podcast yeah, I know but it’s still I mean they’re blurring the lines these days between TV shows and This shows on the on the internet Right. So yeah a few years ago. I was fortunate 2019 we traveled the country and we’ve we actually filmed an entire series for Motor Trend And then Covid hit and we didn’t get to do the finale so it never aired I did get paid for the whole year. So that was worth it And that was with Courtney Hanson was a host and there we go. Terry met Terry Madden was a co-host but

 

That was a lot of fun other than the fact it never aired so that sucked I think only the pilot aired But as far as ones that I currently like watch and listen to There’s a podcast it’s only been around for a little bit. I think they’re I don’t know what episode they’re on 50 or something but it’s called chew quieter and It’s it’s a couple guys who are staples in the industry. They’ve been they’ve been

 

Within the off-road industry for quite some time and it’s funny if you look at the listener base on their Facebook It’s all people who are deeply embedded in the industry. So chew quieter. It’s it’s amazing they they don’t put up with any bullshit they’re calling people out who are

 

Bad people within the industry. They’re nice. They’re very honest and very open and I love it

 

So and they don’t hold back at all. So chew quieter With Gabe and them it’s it’s amazing. It’s really really really good and I know that they’re on

 

All the normal platforms, you know, they’re on Amazon they’re on all the other platforms iTunes and all that but it’s chew quieter and If you’re if you’re into the off-road industry and into Jeeps It’s definitely worth a listen Because they do they they don’t hold back and they’ve got some pretty good guests who are all deeply embedded in this industry And then another one is flex rocks and rollovers Marvin Stammell and the boys flex rocks and rollovers. They do some videos online. They do 24 hours Helen back Where they literally go out off-roading and and they’ll hit trails where they only make it two and a half or three miles in 24 hours

 

Massive amounts of carnage massive amounts of breakage Some really cool episodes and it really is pretty gnarly but Yeah, so that’s flex rocks and roll over rollovers and they’re on YouTube and they’re on Instagram and all that but those those ones are the only ones that I like continuously pay attention to The chew quieter one I’ve fallen in love with in the last couple months But Marvin and the team over at flex rocks and rollovers I’ve I’ve been friends with them for years and I support everything they do. They’re just good good down-to-earth awesome people I got to meet Marvin this this last time at EJS and did a little quick interview Side-by-side in the in the gladiator He’s a good guy and he really is he doesn’t mind that the teasing I gave him a hard time about something I can’t remember. What are those things that I say? It was like you son of a bitch. You can see in his face He’s just like he’s little bitch

 

So but yeah, we’ve had him on the show too so if you guys just if you’re interested in listening to that interview, you can just go to cheap talk show and do a search for flex rocks and rollovers

 

Marvin I didn’t ever ask Marvin this does Marvin have an only fans page as well As far as I know Marvin does not have an only fans page Yeah, it’s Marvin Stamlin. He’s he grew up in this industry. So When he was still a teenager his his father Who was a big promoter? and does the Off-road helmets the axle helmets. Oh interesting which are designed specifically to keep you safe off-road

 

So his his dad’s the one that started that company and still runs it and his dad’s name is axle That’s why that helmets are called axle. Oh, you have to be in the road industry with a name like axle And they’re both just amazing people but Marvin kind of started he was doing the promotions for

 

The unlimited off-road show so which used to be in Louisville and then they had one down in Texas and It was an amazing show and so well put together and just due to the stress of it They stopped doing it which really bummed me out His wife’s name was Dana But yeah, then Marvin started flex rocks and rollovers and he really is aside from the fact he’s got an amazing Jeep Oh that commander is amazing. It’s really cool to see it in person, too Yeah, the only thing that bums me out is that started as a 72 bullnose and they put the older front end on it and Once upon a time I actually had an opportunity. He was gonna ship it up here and let me build it

 

But then you know, I got built elsewhere and they did such an amazing job I mean, there’s not a spot of that vehicle on it that doesn’t have some detail work. That’s worth checking out And even though it’s a beauty queen He beats the shit. Yes

 

So, but yeah Marvin that whole crew there it’s a good crew. They’re really good people So I respect him and I watch their stuff and pay attention to him. So we got to mention gone jeeping They haven’t disbanded or anything, right? I mean, there’s a gone jeeping a lot of gone jeeping videos on the on YouTube Gone GP in if you guys don’t already know which

 

No, we’re not disbanded or all we’re just you know, we’re all pretty busy and we all do it on free time No, I was just racing. I haven’t seen anything from gone jeeping in a while

 

Yeah, we even you know, we went down the podcast route for a minute. We we we did a few of them

 

But it was very hard to get all those personalities in one room at one time or it’s like hurting Because it’s Rick pay way and

 

Chris collard and Liam Lafferty and me and You know Mike Harrington, there’s there’s a few other and like a lot of those people were my heroes coming into this industry and You know, I get to work with them and I get to own us, you know gone jeeping with them, but You know, they have access to all my content and they still do we’re still putting YouTube videos up So there it is an active YouTube channel and there’s videos every week But we’re not really doing the podcast and stuff I Need to find out why YouTube isn’t I’m subscribed. I gotta find out why YouTube is not updating me that there’s a new video I’m gonna have to go over there to the thing and just check it. I suppose maybe you didn’t hit the like and subscribe button I definitely did the subscribe Maybe you didn’t do the notification buttons. Maybe not But oh and you know, hey, I have a YouTube channel that’s unofficially use only there’s there’s not a ton of stuff But there’s some pretty cool stuff on there if somebody wants to sit down and watch through all of it And we are like even yesterday when we were boxing we did some fun stuff and we’re gonna start putting a little more content out We did a video because in the in the production facility where we were at They have what they call a gantry crane and a gantry crane is a crane that’s attached to the roof of the building and it covers the whole building and I I may have come in like a wrecking ball for some of the video. Oh

 

Somebody left me unsupervised and I found the remote for it So they were all doing their thing and all of a sudden I was running it up into the ceiling because I just chained myself To it and wanted to see go for a ride. So they started filming it. Yeah, there’s not a lock on something. I’m with you, man

 

Yeah, yeah when you’re standing there the remote for a ten-ton overhead crane is sitting there and you’re like

 

And it’s a Bluetooth one. So it doesn’t have a cord. Oh, yeah, I went for a ride

 

All right, oh I know this will be a good one how about you Travis what other off-road shows do you watch or listen to

 

I’m taking a bite of food. I don’t listen to much at all ever honey music

 

Still I’ve got a road trip. I’m heading the mountains. I’ll listen to your show

 

On the way to the mountains other than that. I’m not a YouTube guy I don’t really if I need something search or something I will at that point but so you thought a routine habit to watch you – so you’re saying you I’ve got so you’re saying you only listen to the Jeep talk show

 

When I listen to a talk when I listen to a podcast, yes. Yeah, that is true Yes, I guess I’ll do a pity ding on this one because that’s not that’s not what I was looking for Was consistently when you became when it became five episodes

 

I’m almost I’ve got myself behind and I’m like

 

But I’m here every Tuesday. All right, yeah, I appreciate that but I’m gonna tell you something we had a Gentleman that was having a hard time with the discord server that because he would jump on and he’d have to scroll back To find out what was going on and we told him you don’t have to do that You just jump on then get on the top just do the conversation now You don’t have to catch up if you feel like and this isn’t just for you Travis I’m not just picking on you about this, but anybody yeah, we do have a lot of episodes five episodes a week You don’t have to listen to every one of them I mean the the the guy that started the show would like me to listen to all of them and two or three times It’d be great But but you don’t have to just jump off whenever you feel like being entertained and or maybe you see something that Tweaks your interest like we did the released one on Tuesday said Wrangler recall The Wrangler recall was for 30 Wranglers

 

But if you’re like Wrangler recall what’s being recalled, let me listen to them Let me find out what’s going on and then maybe you just listen to a bit of it You get the answer and then you move on

 

It’s well, I’ll listen to my entire trip to the mountains and back for the Great Smoky Mountain Jeep invasion I’ll listen the whole way up and the whole way back. I did that when I went up to Murphy or I think was Murphy for a Jeep invasion and I’ll do it and down the beach any road trip I do that when I’m just stuck in traffic. I’m usually listen to music blaring me out and just Relax, so when I listen to the music, it’s your own music, right? You’re playing it through some of the some digital means it’s not a repetitive thing like you get from radio stations That’s the thing. It always killed me about listening to music like from the Serious exam I’ll do red white and booze because it’ll go from country, which I love just some classic rock and it’s back and forth It plays a lot of new music or music. I’ve forgotten about The serious satellite a lot like I’m a big country fan. I always repetitive It’s the same five songs over and over. I’ll do Pandora I add a bunch of different artists that I like and It mixes it up. It’s actually done very very well. Yeah, and I’ll go from 90s rock to you know 90s country – I mean it’s across the board on that aspect I like serious from the standpoint when you’re listening to that You do hear a human voice Ever so often it’s different than like like if you just have a USB drive that you stick into the The head unit and just you just have the music that’s nice But it’s cool having that that DJ voice ever so often in there. So yeah, it’s I’ve got that as well It’s it’s nice. Let’s let’s see what bill does bill. What do you what do you do as far as off-road shows? Do you watch or listen to?

 

This is pretty much the only one I listen to I think other than that I listen to think Joe Rogan and some other podcast that was my wife’s Podcast is you know gives us something? Oh, that’s right. Tell us about that podcast again. I forgot about that She’s she and her friend are still doing that

 

Yeah, they’re doing it once a week. I think they’re up like 25 episodes or something like that. I think they have a A back backlog of episodes they recorded so, you know like vacation or meet out of town They can make sure that they’re always publishing at least one. So Once a week or whatever, but yeah, it’s a bad date podcast and they started out with just Friends getting on there and family and kind of telling stories but then listeners started calling in and started getting on the show and And then and then I think they’ve had people that don’t want to be on the air, but they written in so they’ll bring in You know somebody to kind of read that or rekind of create that that bad date But it’s a you know, it’s kind of some of the stuff that these ladies go through is pretty mortifying

 

The dating apps and whatnot. But so do you have the guts to listen to it so you can ask her are you talking about me? Oh Sometimes like, you know, yeah I’m like or I’m listening like I think I may have done something like that or whatever like things that they find cringy as like Guys are guys are stupid guys are just cringy period. I mean, you know, yeah, you do the best you can do And it’s amazing that we get along with women as well as we do

 

Yeah, she’s having a good time and appreciate the Input or help, you know getting her started getting all the getting those things published published and out there like, you know It’s a little little hard to kind of get started. So yeah, sure Yes, no, but it’s funny or in the right direction No, of course and congratulate her and her friend on that because getting you know The getting the interaction is what we love to do here I mean, it’s it’s one thing to get somebody to listen to your shenanigans, but the purposely get involved in them that’s a big deal those are that’s like having a difference between a friend the casual friend and a good friend or a Best friend because you know, the best friend is gonna be involved in your shenanigans shenanigans So that’s kind of why I equate that to all right. Let’s so let’s jump over to Robert Robert what other off-road shows do you watch or listen to? As far as off-road shows I Sometimes watch Ozark overland adventure with Matt, but I haven’t been watching it much lately and then I

 

Tend to watch another one that’s campy lance, man He’s got a ambulance that he’s converted into an RV and living out of and I find him kind of interesting But does it still look like this still look like an emergency vehicle on the outside? Cuz I think that’d be funny just to deny service to people He did have it the What he called the December where it’s the cross and everything on it. He did have that for a while But then he finally covered it up But yeah, there’s a bunch of them that still leave it looking like an ambulance and only thing they’re not doing is running the lights Right. So let me ask you the the whole audience here all you zoom people How about Matt’s off-road recovery? I haven’t seen a Matt’s off-road recovery in a while I kind of lost interest Whenever it appeared to me and correct me if I’m wrong Well, he stopped using the the XJ for a lot of this stuff He built that new vehicle and I just thought it was so cool that he was doing all this stuff Commercially towing people out of stuck spots in Utah with an XJ. I thought that was just so cool Yeah, no, I still pay attention to him a little bit and that’s a good guy and I know they still use the issue But they did build the purpose built vehicle

 

But Rory Irish to tow Mater, right? He’s he’s an amazing dude like

 

You know and I forgot to mention them earlier But you know a lot of people don’t realize they don’t they don’t charge for that either So if you’re out in the middle of Moab and you break down and you need to call Rory Irish tow Mater They don’t charge you they come out and they do it they film you But you know those tow bills are free Where if you call a normal place or the DNR call somebody you know or the BLM It can cost you tens of thousands of dollars to get towed out and they do it for free They come out they fix you they tow you out the whole nine yards No charge. So they’re really good dudes. Rory Irish is an amazing guy tow Mater And he lives right in Moab where Matt and them they’re out and what is it Sand Hollow? Oh Thank George, but but they’re st. George But they are they’re down to earth real dudes. They’re good people

 

You know, I would follow them above a light bright any day

 

Does anybody watch light bright yeah, we’ve mentioned them derogatory comments little Jabs, I mean, I don’t I don’t know if you guys want to poke light pride I understand but it’s a little getting a little jab in here and there Well, if you really want to poke late bright watch your only fans And I don’t mean to be so rude They just you know They snubbed they snub enough people where I snub back and I shouldn’t I should be I should be better than that So I’ll stop making derogatory

 

Hidden comments for now, I guess is what you’re saying is you’ll stop it for now Does anybody watch my I mean I remember seeing light bright on YouTube And while maybe watching a little bit of the thing but to me they were doing just a horrific damage to things that I was Thinking why would you do that? And obviously it’s they were doing it for views, but it’s like it’s just it was nonsensical to me It just there’s nothing wrong with it. If you like it. It’s just it’s just like the seeing somebody Crush an XJ. It bothers me. I don’t like it the clash cash for clunkers thing bothered me So I just I just stick my head in the sand and deny it ever happened

 

All right, so I’m gonna just going I’m just gonna run through this here real quick because we’re not gonna get a chance to go Through this one, but have you guys heard that Toyota has announced no more ice vehicles No more internal combustion engine vehicles. They’re only going to be producing hybrid electric

 

I

 

Just heard that the other day and I don’t know if it means that they’re going to that the the internal combustion engine Is this going to be charging? Running a generator and charging the batteries or if it’s going to be actually be able to like the four by e where you can Run off the internal combustion engine And I’ll just state for the record. I love electric vehicles. They’re not planning on doing EVs just EVs they’re gonna but everything everything is coming out is gonna be a Hybrid vehicle so the I mean the the Toyotas I guess well, I don’t even keep up with what the off-road Toyotas are Would it be so strange? I mean, I guess it’s not that strange Matt off roads with his four by e So it just it just seems like it’s going the way that isn’t great it’s the things getting more complex instead of having one system now you’ve got two systems and Something can happen to one or the other I mean, it’s fine if one gets you down the road So you can fix the other one, but I don’t know I just the complexity is getting a lot a lot more I think it’s either have a Ready to go out and buy themselves an XJ or TJ right now

 

I’m curious about they were supposed to be putting out like a cheap like no frills truck That’s right. I forgot about that So what’s it gonna do with that?

 

That’s really strange I believe that’s only overseas. Oh So like like always all the other countries get the cool stuff It’s so and the reason for most of that is is the government mandates So yeah, a lot of people don’t realize this and I just you know, see most here not long ago filming an ad You know the Biden Harris pushed through this EV mandate without Congress or anybody else and hidden in the thousand-page document there’s things that say that you know as of 20 and I’m just giving random numbers not the ones that are in the paperwork But it says, you know as of 2030, you’re no longer allowed to modify your personal vehicle Even if you own it outright, you’re not allowed to make use aftermarket components on your vehicle That’s all hidden in the documents of the EV mandate. But some of the other stuff that a lot of people don’t realize you know for a company a modern company today like Jeep or somebody else to Manufacture a vehicle they they’re not allowed to manufacture a vehicle without a backup camera anymore Like it’s a government mandate that says you have to have that so you can’t build a no frills vehicle Because the government is telling them they’re not allowed to sell a vehicle that doesn’t have all of these things in it And there’s a huge list of things You know, so they can’t do like a Mahindra, right? they can’t do a vehicle that’s plain and simple and get the cost down because the government says they have to have This shutoff switch in it and they have to have this antenna in it and they have to have this backup camera And they have to have this system Right the government forces us Yeah, the government flat-out forces the automate manufacturers to do these things which just keeps inflating the price of the vehicle because they’re forced to do it and You know as some people might love some government control some people might not like government control You know that the beautiful part is this is American we’re supposed to be free and we’re supposed to be able to do what we want but to Have the government force this it’s the same thing as the tire pressure right as simple as the tire pressure on your vehicle a Two-door Jeep doesn’t weigh enough to need 37 pounds of air in the tire, but the government tells Jeep and auto manufacturer that if you build an SUV it has to have 37 pounds of air in the tire so You know that Jeep might run better and be safer and be more planted on the road at 25 psi But because the government says they have to they have to otherwise they’re not allowed to sell them

 

So I think and This is not political in any way at all my comments here. My comments are Why do we have to have so much government? Overreach when we’re supposed to be a free country, you know, the cost of these vehicles could be thousands and thousands of dollars cheaper if they weren’t forced to put in all these nanny systems and

 

And I understand it’s making it, you know mildly safer some things are making it mildly safer But another thing that makes it safe is they build in all this crash protection Use it. You don’t have to have five different types of braking on a car. You don’t have to have An antenna on a car that allows the police officer to turn your car off I was gonna mention the kill switch that’s been mandated. Yeah, like literally it’s it’s a government mandated thing They have to be in all the cars. So you know like I Forget what year it started in the Jeep So I think it was 12 when it became mandatory in the jeeps to have that that kill switch, but

 

But yeah, it’s the government forces them to do all these things So they have to do it like the backup camera or any of the other systems when I built the YJL for

 

Quadratec we pulled two hundred and thirty eight pounds of electrical systems out of that vehicle so two hundred and thirty eight pounds of Wiring and computers and bobs and busils and pulled it out threw it in the garbage And we replaced it with a fourteen pound wiring harness for an all YJ

 

You know, so 230 pounds. That’s a lot of gas mileage. Hmm

 

You know Yep, it just it irks me – I especially don’t like the kill switch I mean, I understand the purpose of that for the high-speed pursuits But I mean how many percentage wise how many people are involved in high-speed pursuits? And and what can the government use it for that isn’t legal that they’ll just try to Work it out in court as the reason why they use it There’s still high-speed pursuits that happen all the time even against brand-new cars. I mean a couple years ago There was a hellcat that was doing Over 200 miles an hour in California the problem and it was a great video. The problem is You know, I mean it outran the helicopter because the helicopter Was that gumball rally that that actually they were talking about it in the gumball rally or the cannonball run where they were actually Outrunning the helicopter that was chasing them. It was so funny. I was in a movie Yeah, it was in the movie and then it was in reality. I thought it was hilarious. Yep, but the

 

The thing is is that car has the shutoff But none of the normal police cars have it Right nothing the normal police cars can’t activate that system because they’re not all equipped with it just all the passenger cars are so So which cars are actually equipped with it? Is it just the secret service? Is it just you know? FBI or CIA or whoever I mean It’s the hackers that have figured it out and they’ll randomly go out and that would be fun That’d be a fun Friday night. Just go out there and shut people’s cars off

 

Yeah, so it’s

 

You know that that raises the price of the automobiles by forcing companies to put all these things in and you know You also have to pay your engineering staff to integrate it into the vehicle and you know that costs you tens of thousands dollars which also raises the price so

 

To make a no frills vehicle is very difficult to do nowadays because there’s so many furloughs that are flat-out government mandated Yeah, it’s we didn’t know that it’s illegal They are not allowed to sell you a car unless it has a backup camera well And even right back before the mandates like stuff was getting so overly complicated like when I was in high school in 2001 2002 Ford Explorers had miles of wiring in a 20-feet long vehicle miles. Yeah

 

Just insane

 

Yeah And just like Roger said I don’t know if you guys heard it, but it makes the driver stupid Right, if you don’t have to well as we always say and when I say we I mean me I guess that’s the royal we The the zoom meeting continues on even after we get done with the the recording of the show And you can be part of that. All you have to do is just join our zoom meeting So we’d love to have you here. We’d love for it to have you here as part of the show Just go to Jeep talk show comm slash contact to see how to join. It’s every Tuesday 7 30 p.m The the show recording starts about 8 p.m. Central time and goes on for about an hour We did about an hour and seven minutes so far tonight And if you missed the show the recording on Tuesday, you can listen or watch it on Wednesday So we record on Tuesday. We publish on Wednesday. Did I say right? Record on Tuesday publish on Wednesday and yes, you can watch it on YouTube and I think you’ll enjoy that It’s it’s nice seeing the people who who speak it’s not seeing what’s going on in the background At some of these places Greg’s place unofficial use only his shop is always very interesting He’s got something going on in the background almost all the time. Sometimes he’s working on things That you may see in SEMA we when Greg first started joining our zoom meetings He was working on the the JTE that he built for a quadratic and it was a lot of fun If not a bit scary seeing a brand new four by e be cut in half So he could make a two-door gladiator. That was a hybrid electric It’s interesting Greg made that hybrid hybrid electric gladiator a couple of years ago and now Jeep is coming out with one. I was at 2025. I think they’re coming out with one. So yeah, it’s It’s interesting how one man conduct do this and then it becomes a reality from other manufacturer

 

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Hi, I’m Tony and welcome to the Jeep talk show round table. This weekly episode is where we ask you the listener To be the star of the show Hello, zoom people I said PTSD when you said that was fast

 

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For the Jeep talk show with ho Tony Josh Wendy and Chuck All right So we’re gonna be asking the roundtable attendees that means you a series of questions if you’d like to submit your questions for future Roundtable episodes and don’t bitch about the interface Steve whenever you can’t figure out how to click the button to submit the roundtable, but thank you for

 

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Alright, so this is actually a Steve O question and the one he left today So what part was absolutely wonderful is a great part You love you got it for your Jeep and I guess it doesn’t have to be for the Jeep But you love it. You love the part, but it had no or bad instructions I know we talked about this I think it was last week and you guys were complaining about I think it was actually was Chuck complaining about the motor built Skid system didn’t have any instructions

 

I think it was just a drawing a series of drawings that that comes with the motor belt skid system I mean, it’s kind of like you fit the the the round peg in the square hole and put a bolt in it It’s it’s pretty simple

 

So, this is a map North Carolina and then my hunt for death wobble survival I Put on I basically fixed it but I put on the steer smarts sector staff brace and track bar Reinforcement bracket and I actually posted on discord this weekend with Chuck where they had they hadn’t included instructions and included a QR code and then also the size of the socket for removing the

 

Sector shaft bolt on the steering pump was one millimeter off So I had special order of 50 42 millimeter socket and the sector shaft bolt that stock is 43

 

I love that

 

All right, Steve from Chicago. So mine was I ordered some fender liners from Rugged Ridge It was a three-piece liner said I got through North Ridge And my buddy had I like to look on his Jeep and I went to put them in but the instructions worked their core instructions, right But the fender liners are black and they’re installing them on a black Jeep

 

So you get the black the brackets are black the nuts and bolts are black So you really have no depth perception you’re trying to look at of course I’m wearing my reading glasses now and I you just can’t see any definition of the lines of what they’re trying to show in the instructions

 

So that was it was it was a lot bigger struggle than it needed to be in my opinion They used a white red green, whatever Jeep other than the same color as the part

 

See this is this is Greg from Michigan and all these things so far really excited me because yesterday we actually packed our first 56 sets of pre-orders and They’re actually gone FedEx has them. We’ll be packing some more in the next couple days But our instructions I put a QR code in the box

 

But the QR code is attached to the paper instructions that are in black and white with high definition photos and All the words so if you could only read you can still install them if you can look at pictures you can install them or if you’re a New kid who plays with all the fancy gadgets. You can also Scan the QR code because I hate not having real world paper instructions in my box

 

And if you guys don’t know know Greg Greg is an unofficial He’s only he’s been doing a lot of stuff for a number of years mainly building vehicles for customers and now he’s making parts For vehicles and he’s talking about his door pockets. I get today. We shipped out the very first 56 sets

 

Today oh, yeah It’s close to a year from not initially conception before whenever the process started, right? It’s actually over a year. Oh, wow So the first prototype set was put on the JTE for quadratec and that would have been almost two years ago

 

But since we started dealing with the manufacturing company and figuring out and you know Deciding them make the tool and all the other parts. Yeah, it’s it’s been just over a year

 

Congratulations on getting to this getting this far in the process As I was gonna say Greg has a solution for those saggy nets on the the JL than the JT. It’s it’s a nice plastic Door pocket and and correct me on any of this Greg. It’s not like nobody has a solution That there are solutions out there for the saggy door nets, but they’re generally I’ll just say it they’re fucking ugly I And this and this is a very nice factory. I always like to call Greg’s stuff OEM plus So it it looks OEM, but whatever you really examine it you go. Well, this is really nice so and I think anybody that Has these door pockets coming in you’re gonna be really really excited about seeing them on there because it’s it looks factory I’d like to see jeeps are doing these things get rid of the nets and start using your door pockets Greg Oh if they want to use my door pockets, they’re more than ready because our tool is done and ready and we are printing parts so You know took a long time coming and a lot of effort and oh my god more cash than I could ever dream of

 

but We’re doing it and I’m off screen because I’m actually grabbing one right now Those cuz Roger was grabbing you know, yeah, this one had the saggy net on it

 

No, I threw the saggy net away

 

So here’s here’s a door

 

This is factory door

 

That’s the

 

It’s got the logo on it. Oh, I know what I’m doing this weekend. Isn’t that nice? Yes

 

And it unlike some of the competitors

 

Because this stays flush If you have a 2024 model year with the electric seats it does work

 

We saw on one of the JL pages on Facebook that I Think it’s the DV8 set doesn’t work with the 2024 electric doors and I’m pretty certain that the American adventure lab ones because those are their two biggest competitors and you know again, they’re a great product, but To me they’re not refined enough. They look like origami. It looks like somebody

 

Took a piece of paper and folded it up and it’s got all these hard crease lines because they break bend them And we wanted something that looked like It came with your Jeep from the back. Yes, that’s the nice thing. I mean you get the you get additional features and

 

Still remain keep the the overall style of the vehicle

 

It will fit you know like

 

It fits your

 

It fits all your bottles, you know, this is something interesting that raptors drinking but that fits just without a problem

 

It’ll even fit your girlfriend Stanley So And then the rear door pockets are even bigger I don’t have one mounted on a Jeep, but this is what the rears look like

 

It’s funny Roger walks away while he’s saying that

 

So that’s a rear And if you can kind of tell based on How deep the cavity of the tool is? You know if I put my arm across it

 

This this fits a lot more so this the rear door you can put like children’s tablets or other things fit and with this On the plastic of the door

 

This part will even fit a full-size oil can you know oil?

 

container

 

And we also have a cup holder that goes along with it the cup holder won’t ship for another few weeks, but You know we I call it the trash can because it looks like a trash can but This cup holder snaps into the molly on the rear door

 

So that means if you want if you want your kids armed you can put a molly gun holster back there too Yeah Yeah, that’s gonna ship separate The tool isn’t completely finished for that. So that ship separate it is it is being done, but it’s not here yet. So Which sucks because I have to eat a little more shipping on the pre-orders, but

 

That’ll ship separate and there’s a few people who ordered just ordered one We’re just gonna give them two and then as one other fun part we were talking about it last night we don’t know if we’ll do it, but I Think we’re gonna put once the once the pre-orders done on the door pockets We’re gonna go live with another promotional special that says If you can prove that you have one of the competitors products installed on your Jeep

 

We will give you the cup holders for free, which is $50 off

 

So I know you can’t do it because the cost involved but it would be pretty funny if the cup holder you actually made it a trash can so you could get a full-size trash can And the flexible nature would make it nice because you could overfill it and then put extra extra trash in it Well tell you so so just for For people to understand and I’ll grab it again

 

So this is again the cup holder and it fits, you know multiple different things, right? So

 

all the way up to very large ones because the cup holder is A Plastic or rubber so it’s flexible. So when you put something large in it, it just expands on the inside

 

But the tool for just this part

 

Made in the USA is over $20,000. Yeah

 

The one you have in your hands is 3d printed. So that’s that one was not made with the tool, right? Yeah, the one in my hand took 14 hours on a 3d printer on an industrial 3d printer To make it out of this material. But so this this was not cheap at all

 

Because I don’t own that printer so I had to pay for it but

 

Yeah, the tool for just this part and there’s three parts here in my hand. So just this part was over 20 grand And then on the inside the actual molly lock There’s a piece here and then you can see a screw in there and then there’s a piece on the outside and that’s this is we’re patenting that but it’s So it slides into the molly and when you turn it that locks it in place That’s why we call it twisted molly lock and we can so just the lock portion is what we’re patenting And that’s so that we can also put Holsters on it, you know, you could put a holster on that and lock it on your molly You could put really anything you want to do attached to molly. We could use it to hang on it So the the actual if you’re watching and watching this on on YouTube, which you should just go to YouTube and search for Jeep talk show the the 3d printed part that Greg was showing kind of has lines in it like what 3d printed parts do and With the screen good enough to see that I can see it Yeah, and so you won’t see that and the the ones made in the the the die press the tool It’ll be no and I don’t know if you probably can’t see that but on the inside of it Trying to get a light behind it My logo Yeah, oh cool. Is it dishwasher safe? Yes Yes, it is It’s it’s pressure washer safe. It’s definitely just washer safe as far as It would be river safe. We even put drainage holes in the bottom So it can’t get over full and so that even Condensation like if you pull this out of your dramatic fridge and drop it in there The condensation wouldn’t trap and you know, it would drip out So they can escape to see no Rick

 

You could fit a whole bunch of ducks inside of this I can’t believe you said that

 

Yeah, well that’s when it comes in as the trash can you just throw the ducks in the trash can

 

On Allison’s birthday, how dare you? Alright, so is it Allison’s birthday? That’s what I’ve seen posted online that it was either yesterday or today I think it’s today

 

Still shame that she oh very much not with us anymore The tradition she made it’s horrible that she’s not with us. Yeah, because she did do a good thing So let’s jump over to Travis who we’ve already heard speaking Travis. You were here late So you may not have heard the question what part you got what what part did you was just absolutely wonderful? But you got no or bad instructions

 

My Light bars for my YJ back in 1993 when I purchased that I Don’t recall any instructions whatsoever To have that installed

 

It was not difficult, but I was also a kid installing it I figured it out. I got it done, but it was a time-consuming process and A headache from what I remember and then that Jeep was it was totaled and I bought my second in 92 as well

 

And I figured it out. It was much quicker process, but I do remember just The nightmare of figuring that out everything else as far as I could recall had instructions Do I open them do I look at them? every Everything everything that I purchased for my Forex II I bought second hand So I did not have the instructions Did not initially ask for help, you know, I’m with my buddies. We’re all getting everything installed. I Did have to pull out, you know go online to find the instructions to have things mounted installed But you figure it out you learn the hard way. I definitely It was my suspension I was putting I can’t remember what it was backwards with my rock crawler suspension and Had we dropped the Jeep off the lift, you know and brought it down off the lift. I’ll drop it. It would have Been damaged but we caught that After we pulled the instructions back out to do it because I don’t put lists on that often It’s not something I do on a daily basis

 

I’ve helped I’ve been a part of but This doing it myself doing putting my own on it was Yeah, I’m glad I did read them after the fact and that was rock-crawler. They had everything It’s a good idea that even if you don’t I mean a lot of stuff is intuitive But it’s a good idea to just cruise through the instructions. It actually will speed up the the process if you go through It’s one of the reasons why like going to YouTube and and seeing how somebody did it on YouTube Because it’s like this is where this part is. This is this is I can identify They have those you know, they have that those those sheets of instructions that have bolt sizes and nut sizes They’ve got 27 nuts on there. They’re different sizes. They all look the same on the the handout

 

It’s just like you know So sometimes it just helps to to be see what somebody else is doing it and get a good size Reference with them putting it on there. All right, so Aquaman Arkansas Aquaman has his hand raised and if you’re you’re here on our Zoom meeting you can raise your hand too if you’d like to get in on this conversation. What you got Rick? Oh cool Well, I’m just proud that you saw my hand raised. That’s pretty pretty exciting. Um, a couple things

 

Most recently, I just put Some old man emu Coils in and when I got the coals and I mean I didn’t think nothing about it. I mean their coils you stick them in

 

Then I got to looking at them and they one of them had part a and one of them had part B So then I was like, oh, what’s this? So then I start looking at it and one of them is supposed to be a heavier spring than the other So then I get to looking around and I can’t find it anywhere where it tells me which one Goes where and I started calling around and asking around eventually I found out the information But just for something as simple as a coal spring you think that you know, you think that is pretty pretty cut and dry But turns out the a part number is is the heavier spring and and in the front They want you to put that on the driver side because of you know, you got some fat bad boys. Yeah the fat boy side Yeah, the fat boy side and in the other thing that and you know, that wasn’t that big of a struggle But it was kind of annoying that I was kind of paused You know for about an hour while I was trying to research and figure out where this cool went when I was ready to put it in but

 

The other thing was I think it was the savvy

 

cable the the

 

transfer case selector for the TJ Because I went from you know, the stock one is trash. And so I got one of the cables selector cables and installed that and it just took me a while because there was a lot of doodads with that and both ends and Making sure I got it You know just in right The instructions were just pretty much, you know, yeah, you put it in No, it wasn’t wasn’t to me. It wasn’t very clear instructions and it took me a while to figure out and I had to move some pieces from one end to the other and try that and Just because they’re getting it I mean once I got it dialed in and that thing is so easy to shift from you know It’s nice isn’t it from yeah from to to wheel to for high and for low and everything It just man. It’s awesome. Yeah, I think there’s a lot of people out there that are very good technically or mechanically But they’re not good in technical writing and it’s Just from the but a hands-on type person whether it be computers or Jeeps or whatever I much rather be doing it or making the part or Making it work and then being happy that it works exactly the way I wanted to work and and not writing instructions on how to use It’s like well, I figured it out you figure it out

 

And for both of those maybe that’s something that’s just general knowledge that most Jeep people know with I started Instructions are critical and good instructions is an art form

 

All right, so oh I know somebody that has either for his his own vehicle or

 

Professionally rich have you run across that a wonderful part, but it had no or bad instructions I Bet your rich is taking a tire wheel off his XJ as we speak George how about you do you do you have a part or something that you installed and that this did really didn’t have very good instructions?

 

George from Michigan. No most of the time I go to YouTube that being said I’m I’m looking forward to getting my Package my door packets from unofficial you show me so we’ll see how those directions are We can actually give the manufacturer a hard time right here on the round table Where are you at George?

 

Elmont, Michigan, I think I’m only about less than an hour from you Okay, cuz it was funny yesterday when we were Packaging up the or getting ready to send out those first 60 or 56 sets There was one of the shipping labels it was and

 

Just to kind of back up but the the production facility or the manufacturer where we’re actually making them is in Clinton Township and Okay, so one of the orders was literally like six miles from the And yeah, and we joked about it I almost put him in the Jeep and drove to the guy’s house and knocked on the door yesterday but

 

Instead we let FedEx take it because I didn’t want that to be weird For buying my part what a great promotional video that be Yeah, I really thought about doing it. I was gonna do it. I was I even brought a couple hats I dropped a couple hats and a few of the boxes and I thought you know I can go to the guy’s house and drop them off and give them a hat but then I was like You know that might be kind of creeper weird so

 

What about a story that that person would have told for a very long time? I think that you need to get you need to get some videographers involved in that process. I think that’d be really funny And the creeper it would be it would be the better because people would love seeing that I think they go Oh, that’s is really creepy. I got to order some door pockets Well, I’ll tell you what if if we’re when we’re packing to the rest if I find the one if I personally see it That says elm but I might actually just drop it off Like that’s I only work at the next city over from Clinton Township. So It’s funny. I’m not very close. I grew up. Yep, right there So what happens if the the person they and they know that where they live and they’re going oh I could have met Greg and he decided not to bring it by that’s not weird to come on by Greg All right, so let’s let’s let him finish let him finish his answer I As soon as he said, Michigan, I’m sorry go right ahead

 

No, that was it I’m it’s real Clinton Township’s local to me so I grew up right there It’s that’s mine, you know, so you’re freaked out if I’d have knocked on your door last night. Oh, yeah I Know I recognize you

 

So be someone’s wife and they’d be like my husband order what oh my god, I didn’t think about that. Thank God. They’re cheap Yeah, thank god

 

Body dude cheap, it was only $10,000 All right, so let’s all glens on the screen Glenn Let’s let’s ask you have you ever had a part that you just the fart was perfectly fine Did what it was supposed to do and you liked it, but it had no or bad instructions

 

Glenn from Louisiana, so I think my biggest thing is I usually don’t go to the instructions until I’m too far into the project

 

They’re both those both those apply

 

Bob they’re working on cars since I was 15. I’m 54 now. So

 

I’ve had a lot of experience and

 

putting stuff together rebuild motors and so I’m kind of just dive into it and see what happens I Very cool very very cool. All right. Let’s see who who has not answered. Oh, I see Chris is here Chris Did you hear the did you hear the question about the parts and the instructions? I didn’t see when you joined

 

Wjcris come on down

 

Yeah, I

 

Actually, I’ve never really had one that’s not been good

 

But Where there was a confusing lucky when you were doing the long arms on your now deceased WJ was that

 

So rough country actually when I bought that system from them it actually had a really good

 

Like paper book that told you down to what hole down to what bolt down to the spec everything and And so whenever I Put mine together even whenever they do the black on black contrast the part you’re installing is actually they painted it gray

 

Like a really bright gray

 

Interesting very good

 

So even though we’ll give them a really crappy time about all their stuff being junk they do really good instructions

 

And some of their parts are good. I will say oh Yeah, absolutely. It’s just I think whenever you’re buying stuff. It’s hard to you. How much of it. Do you want to? Spend the roulette wheel and see if this is one of those parts and which is not the part I mean like I Well my xj everything I put on my xj to start with was rough country and I did it because I couldn’t afford the $3,000 stuff and that’s money but back in the early 2000s I’m not afford I couldn’t afford all that high dollar stuff I mean my god So if I want to do a lift I could just save up my money collect the aluminum cans on the side of the road And then get one of the big deal things and also too you never know whenever there’s the the big deal kits that come out that They put a big price on it that really isn’t worth that I mean when you’re starting out You don’t know so yeah, I did the rough country stuff and I found that the heavy-duty track bar Was not heavy-duty enough For my xj, and I didn’t do much wheeling with it because the overheating issue driving it very far and I bent that thing and I think I drove it for like three months with the steering wheel kind of crooked because the the Heavy-duty track bar screwed up on me and and later. I replaced it with well They actually did great customer service and sent me another one But I actually replaced that with one from Iron Man four by four fab calm and that one don’t bend I mean, I’m sure there’s some way I could do it, but it’s just it’s just really beefy so And the price on it was very very similar to what the rough country was so Price performance is what I say

 

Yep all right. Let’s see rich. Are you back? I

 

Think so rich is back rich. I was asking maybe you’ve already heard this, but what part was wonderful But you had no or bad instructions, and this is personal and professional Oh I’m trying to think because I deal with a lot of different parts Do you read instructions or do you look for them later? I’m usually just kind of glance over them and Everyone’s all look through there to see if they have any special torque specs and whatnot but For the most part

 

TeraFlex has been decent Off the top of my head, I can’t really think of I know there’s a few other ones I just can’t think of them at the moment so is there are other manufacturers that you prefer So is there are other manufacturers that you prefer because of the the quality of the instructions I mean you mentioned TeraFlex are decent is there ones where you get a customer and they want blah blah blah And and you go okay great. This will be this will be a piece of cake I mean, I know some of the stuff you do so so many times you don’t need the instructions, but is there a Manufacture where the instructions are just really good, and you know if you’re gonna have any issues You just go there and you can find the question very easily Or the answer easily

 

Usually the TeraFlex is pretty good about that rough country. There’s someone said before They’re very good about it And There’s I know there’s other ones There’s a lot of them that are more on the Toyota side of things that are very good Icon stuff like that They’re they’re pretty good

 

But yeah, there’s for the most part you can find a lot of the instructions online somewhere

 

The the other thing is a lot of companies are doing the videos now instead of paper instructions so you have to go through and find the YouTube video of how they install it and Some of them are up to date and some of them are a few years old and they’ve made some changes since then so it’s yeah That’s true

 

So how many people here love the Northridge the Northridge videos? I think they do great videos installation videos

 

Yeah, I found the water tech ones are the best in my opinion, but then I buy it in Northridge anyway When I’m looking through the instructions I’m usually looking for that gotcha thing that that one little thing that if you don’t put you put this real complicated thing together and then and Then you get to go to put it in and you realize there’s that one little thing you had to put in first That’s how you got to take it all apart to put that one thing in that’s what I’m always looking for is that gotcha thing All right, well if anybody if nobody else has anything to add to this We’ll we’ll jump over to our next question. So this is kind of a this is an opportunity for You guys to mention other shows of their podcast that you guys listen to and you enjoy

 

We’re not gonna hear the Jeep talk show. We’re not gonna pretend. We’re the only podcast out there and who’s that Joe Rogan guy? So is there any other off-road shows that you watch or listen? To I mean Then there’s plenty of time of the day to watch more than one show or listen to one more than one show And I’m sure you guys do so. Let’s so let’s go with Mike Mike’s iPhone It’s what it’s listed here Mike. Is there any other show that you listen to assuming you do listen to the Jeep talk show

 

Yeah, I usually listen to that one and then I also did the on the trail with Kevin and Scott. Oh good. Yes. Yeah

 

Pretty much about it me

 

Did you see where

 

Kevin not Kevin I’m brain farting on the name Scott. Did you see where Scott sold his his LJ? I Heard he put up for sale. I didn’t realize it’s all I saw it on Facebook It’s it’s going away and it’s that’s so sad to me. I mean, he’s he’s got a gladiator and I understand The I’m sure the gladiators all things I think he’s still driving the gladiator. He’s just got the wrong color. I think it was black And but yeah LJ going to a new home And doesn’t he have an older one too or his girlfriend does I? Don’t know Okay

 

World War two

 

One I think oh nice His girlfriend had a Early one. Yeah. Yeah, I think we were Putting it back together. I think they had an episode or two of that too So so was that a girlfriend requirement? Did he have to does she have to have a Jeep to be a girlfriend?

 

Well for me it does All right, Matt you you just spoke up Matt I’m gonna pick on you what what other shows do you listen to and I Let you guys know I am making a list here and you will be paid back for mentioning the wrong shows

 

Um Jeep wise I really have had a hard time finding anything really solid so there’s there’s On the trail, but other than that like I’ve listened to some of Matt’s in from metal cloak and Cory and Jesse do

 

Do one and But it’s a little bit less about jeeps and kind of more about their travels. That’s modern jeepers. And so it’s You know, I pray I’m listening to that in a year, but I don’t know I mean, there’s really not a lot of great off-road ones all I’ll subscribe to one listen to a couple episodes I’m not even get through one or two of them. Oh, it’s so difficult. There’s so many choices out there We’re very blessed that you guys show up here for the the the roundtable every week. It’s just it’s an amazing. It’s a gift Absolutely. I mean we try to do the best show we can do so that you do come back But yeah, it’s it’s very nice for all you guys and it’s wonderful seeing a lot of new names here in the zoom room We really appreciate it So is there what do you got that? What do you listen to or watch that? isn’t initially off-road related do you have a are you are you into the those What was it crime and murder type things because I know a lot of the women are not not picking on you Matt But some of those mysteries are interesting But I don’t really listen to it on like on the day-to-day, you know commutes to work or anything But one that we my wife and I listened to and one of our longer trips Is a National Park after dark and it’s it’s kind of a true crime, but it’s that’s Sounds like that could be really bad

 

Specifically it’s it’s like a warning around national parks and national forests. And so it’ll have you know stories of you know You know some true crime style stuff You know Where people went out and survived something crazy in a national park, you know, they the grizzly grizzly and bear attack stuff They’ll talk about so it’s it’s two younger gals. I think they’re both in and Colorado or something now, but it’s they’ve got a lot of good Solid stories and they’re good storytellers. So that’s more of a they literally will go, you know, kind of You know read through or you know recount a tale people that are good storytellers are are really special people. It’s it’s difficult to tell a Story and it make it interesting and maybe not give away too much so that keeps you interested in the story

 

Roger’s a good example of a bad storyteller Roger’s like what what do I story tell about?

 

Your ear stuff like that Was either recycle the air recycle there that Yes, circulation button the circulation. Yes

 

All right. Well we picked on Roger we haven’t picked on Travis yet No, we’re not done. So let’s let’s go to Kevin Kevin Do you listen to other off-road shows or watch other off-road shows and if so, what?

 

Do people need to quit going to the bathroom go to the bathroom for the show starts

 

How about you Greg I know Greg’s ready to he’s right there he’s gonna be jumping on really quick look he’s not he’s not even unmuted so Greg unofficial use only mr. Door pocket

 

I’m here. I didn’t realize I was muted either. Oh, go ahead Kevin. So Kevin do yet Do what other shows do you listen to her watch off road? Yeah, I listened to the snail trail with the Tyler from more flight for a while the snail trail That sounds like something from light bright. Oh wait. That’s their only fans

 

Wrong snow, man I listened to wheeling wine and whiskey for a while They’re both out of like the Northern California area. I have not heard of that one They do a lot of kind of they do the wheeling and then they’re also very into like their local wineries and whiskey manufacturers, so That’s kind of interesting if you’re into those things And then a non off-road one. That’s really good if you’re into just mechanical and like vehicle history Is dork emotive by Brian loans?

 

Very nice. All right, Greg’s back. We didn’t hear you flush Greg. So that’s good You need you mute that Mike whenever you need to know I was getting a Mountain Dew and a meat stick

 

So Greg is there another another show that you listen or watch I’m Amy or one that you that you’re on I mean, I know you’re recording something a while ago that that with Courtney. What’s your name? Oh Well, that was a TV show that wasn’t a podcast yeah, I know but it’s still I mean they’re blurring the lines these days between TV shows and This shows on the on the internet Right. So yeah a few years ago. I was fortunate 2019 we traveled the country and we’ve we actually filmed an entire series for Motor Trend And then Covid hit and we didn’t get to do the finale so it never aired I did get paid for the whole year. So that was worth it And that was with Courtney Hanson was a host and there we go. Terry met Terry Madden was a co-host but

 

That was a lot of fun other than the fact it never aired so that sucked I think only the pilot aired But as far as ones that I currently like watch and listen to There’s a podcast it’s only been around for a little bit. I think they’re I don’t know what episode they’re on 50 or something but it’s called chew quieter and It’s it’s a couple guys who are staples in the industry. They’ve been they’ve been

 

Within the off-road industry for quite some time and it’s funny if you look at the listener base on their Facebook It’s all people who are deeply embedded in the industry. So chew quieter. It’s it’s amazing they they don’t put up with any bullshit they’re calling people out who are

 

Bad people within the industry. They’re nice. They’re very honest and very open and I love it

 

So and they don’t hold back at all. So chew quieter With Gabe and them it’s it’s amazing. It’s really really really good and I know that they’re on

 

All the normal platforms, you know, they’re on Amazon they’re on all the other platforms iTunes and all that but it’s chew quieter and If you’re if you’re into the off-road industry and into Jeeps It’s definitely worth a listen Because they do they they don’t hold back and they’ve got some pretty good guests who are all deeply embedded in this industry And then another one is flex rocks and rollovers Marvin Stammell and the boys flex rocks and rollovers. They do some videos online. They do 24 hours Helen back Where they literally go out off-roading and and they’ll hit trails where they only make it two and a half or three miles in 24 hours

 

Massive amounts of carnage massive amounts of breakage Some really cool episodes and it really is pretty gnarly but Yeah, so that’s flex rocks and roll over rollovers and they’re on YouTube and they’re on Instagram and all that but those those ones are the only ones that I like continuously pay attention to The chew quieter one I’ve fallen in love with in the last couple months But Marvin and the team over at flex rocks and rollovers I’ve I’ve been friends with them for years and I support everything they do. They’re just good good down-to-earth awesome people I got to meet Marvin this this last time at EJS and did a little quick interview Side-by-side in the in the gladiator He’s a good guy and he really is he doesn’t mind that the teasing I gave him a hard time about something I can’t remember. What are those things that I say? It was like you son of a bitch. You can see in his face He’s just like he’s little bitch

 

So but yeah, we’ve had him on the show too so if you guys just if you’re interested in listening to that interview, you can just go to cheap talk show and do a search for flex rocks and rollovers

 

Marvin I didn’t ever ask Marvin this does Marvin have an only fans page as well As far as I know Marvin does not have an only fans page Yeah, it’s Marvin Stamlin. He’s he grew up in this industry. So When he was still a teenager his his father Who was a big promoter? and does the Off-road helmets the axle helmets. Oh interesting which are designed specifically to keep you safe off-road

 

So his his dad’s the one that started that company and still runs it and his dad’s name is axle That’s why that helmets are called axle. Oh, you have to be in the road industry with a name like axle And they’re both just amazing people but Marvin kind of started he was doing the promotions for

 

The unlimited off-road show so which used to be in Louisville and then they had one down in Texas and It was an amazing show and so well put together and just due to the stress of it They stopped doing it which really bummed me out His wife’s name was Dana But yeah, then Marvin started flex rocks and rollovers and he really is aside from the fact he’s got an amazing Jeep Oh that commander is amazing. It’s really cool to see it in person, too Yeah, the only thing that bums me out is that started as a 72 bullnose and they put the older front end on it and Once upon a time I actually had an opportunity. He was gonna ship it up here and let me build it

 

But then you know, I got built elsewhere and they did such an amazing job I mean, there’s not a spot of that vehicle on it that doesn’t have some detail work. That’s worth checking out And even though it’s a beauty queen He beats the shit. Yes

 

So, but yeah Marvin that whole crew there it’s a good crew. They’re really good people So I respect him and I watch their stuff and pay attention to him. So we got to mention gone jeeping They haven’t disbanded or anything, right? I mean, there’s a gone jeeping a lot of gone jeeping videos on the on YouTube Gone GP in if you guys don’t already know which

 

No, we’re not disbanded or all we’re just you know, we’re all pretty busy and we all do it on free time No, I was just racing. I haven’t seen anything from gone jeeping in a while

 

Yeah, we even you know, we went down the podcast route for a minute. We we we did a few of them

 

But it was very hard to get all those personalities in one room at one time or it’s like hurting Because it’s Rick pay way and

 

Chris collard and Liam Lafferty and me and You know Mike Harrington, there’s there’s a few other and like a lot of those people were my heroes coming into this industry and You know, I get to work with them and I get to own us, you know gone jeeping with them, but You know, they have access to all my content and they still do we’re still putting YouTube videos up So there it is an active YouTube channel and there’s videos every week But we’re not really doing the podcast and stuff I Need to find out why YouTube isn’t I’m subscribed. I gotta find out why YouTube is not updating me that there’s a new video I’m gonna have to go over there to the thing and just check it. I suppose maybe you didn’t hit the like and subscribe button I definitely did the subscribe Maybe you didn’t do the notification buttons. Maybe not But oh and you know, hey, I have a YouTube channel that’s unofficially use only there’s there’s not a ton of stuff But there’s some pretty cool stuff on there if somebody wants to sit down and watch through all of it And we are like even yesterday when we were boxing we did some fun stuff and we’re gonna start putting a little more content out We did a video because in the in the production facility where we were at They have what they call a gantry crane and a gantry crane is a crane that’s attached to the roof of the building and it covers the whole building and I I may have come in like a wrecking ball for some of the video. Oh

 

Somebody left me unsupervised and I found the remote for it So they were all doing their thing and all of a sudden I was running it up into the ceiling because I just chained myself To it and wanted to see go for a ride. So they started filming it. Yeah, there’s not a lock on something. I’m with you, man

 

Yeah, yeah when you’re standing there the remote for a ten-ton overhead crane is sitting there and you’re like

 

And it’s a Bluetooth one. So it doesn’t have a cord. Oh, yeah, I went for a ride

 

All right, oh I know this will be a good one how about you Travis what other off-road shows do you watch or listen to

 

I’m taking a bite of food. I don’t listen to much at all ever honey music

 

Still I’ve got a road trip. I’m heading the mountains. I’ll listen to your show

 

On the way to the mountains other than that. I’m not a YouTube guy I don’t really if I need something search or something I will at that point but so you thought a routine habit to watch you – so you’re saying you I’ve got so you’re saying you only listen to the Jeep talk show

 

When I listen to a talk when I listen to a podcast, yes. Yeah, that is true Yes, I guess I’ll do a pity ding on this one because that’s not that’s not what I was looking for Was consistently when you became when it became five episodes

 

I’m almost I’ve got myself behind and I’m like

 

But I’m here every Tuesday. All right, yeah, I appreciate that but I’m gonna tell you something we had a Gentleman that was having a hard time with the discord server that because he would jump on and he’d have to scroll back To find out what was going on and we told him you don’t have to do that You just jump on then get on the top just do the conversation now You don’t have to catch up if you feel like and this isn’t just for you Travis I’m not just picking on you about this, but anybody yeah, we do have a lot of episodes five episodes a week You don’t have to listen to every one of them I mean the the the guy that started the show would like me to listen to all of them and two or three times It’d be great But but you don’t have to just jump off whenever you feel like being entertained and or maybe you see something that Tweaks your interest like we did the released one on Tuesday said Wrangler recall The Wrangler recall was for 30 Wranglers

 

But if you’re like Wrangler recall what’s being recalled, let me listen to them Let me find out what’s going on and then maybe you just listen to a bit of it You get the answer and then you move on

 

It’s well, I’ll listen to my entire trip to the mountains and back for the Great Smoky Mountain Jeep invasion I’ll listen the whole way up and the whole way back. I did that when I went up to Murphy or I think was Murphy for a Jeep invasion and I’ll do it and down the beach any road trip I do that when I’m just stuck in traffic. I’m usually listen to music blaring me out and just Relax, so when I listen to the music, it’s your own music, right? You’re playing it through some of the some digital means it’s not a repetitive thing like you get from radio stations That’s the thing. It always killed me about listening to music like from the Serious exam I’ll do red white and booze because it’ll go from country, which I love just some classic rock and it’s back and forth It plays a lot of new music or music. I’ve forgotten about The serious satellite a lot like I’m a big country fan. I always repetitive It’s the same five songs over and over. I’ll do Pandora I add a bunch of different artists that I like and It mixes it up. It’s actually done very very well. Yeah, and I’ll go from 90s rock to you know 90s country – I mean it’s across the board on that aspect I like serious from the standpoint when you’re listening to that You do hear a human voice Ever so often it’s different than like like if you just have a USB drive that you stick into the The head unit and just you just have the music that’s nice But it’s cool having that that DJ voice ever so often in there. So yeah, it’s I’ve got that as well It’s it’s nice. Let’s let’s see what bill does bill. What do you what do you do as far as off-road shows? Do you watch or listen to?

 

This is pretty much the only one I listen to I think other than that I listen to think Joe Rogan and some other podcast that was my wife’s Podcast is you know gives us something? Oh, that’s right. Tell us about that podcast again. I forgot about that She’s she and her friend are still doing that

 

Yeah, they’re doing it once a week. I think they’re up like 25 episodes or something like that. I think they have a A back backlog of episodes they recorded so, you know like vacation or meet out of town They can make sure that they’re always publishing at least one. So Once a week or whatever, but yeah, it’s a bad date podcast and they started out with just Friends getting on there and family and kind of telling stories but then listeners started calling in and started getting on the show and And then and then I think they’ve had people that don’t want to be on the air, but they written in so they’ll bring in You know somebody to kind of read that or rekind of create that that bad date But it’s a you know, it’s kind of some of the stuff that these ladies go through is pretty mortifying

 

The dating apps and whatnot. But so do you have the guts to listen to it so you can ask her are you talking about me? Oh Sometimes like, you know, yeah I’m like or I’m listening like I think I may have done something like that or whatever like things that they find cringy as like Guys are guys are stupid guys are just cringy period. I mean, you know, yeah, you do the best you can do And it’s amazing that we get along with women as well as we do

 

Yeah, she’s having a good time and appreciate the Input or help, you know getting her started getting all the getting those things published published and out there like, you know It’s a little little hard to kind of get started. So yeah, sure Yes, no, but it’s funny or in the right direction No, of course and congratulate her and her friend on that because getting you know The getting the interaction is what we love to do here I mean, it’s it’s one thing to get somebody to listen to your shenanigans, but the purposely get involved in them that’s a big deal those are that’s like having a difference between a friend the casual friend and a good friend or a Best friend because you know, the best friend is gonna be involved in your shenanigans shenanigans So that’s kind of why I equate that to all right. Let’s so let’s jump over to Robert Robert what other off-road shows do you watch or listen to? As far as off-road shows I Sometimes watch Ozark overland adventure with Matt, but I haven’t been watching it much lately and then I

 

Tend to watch another one that’s campy lance, man He’s got a ambulance that he’s converted into an RV and living out of and I find him kind of interesting But does it still look like this still look like an emergency vehicle on the outside? Cuz I think that’d be funny just to deny service to people He did have it the What he called the December where it’s the cross and everything on it. He did have that for a while But then he finally covered it up But yeah, there’s a bunch of them that still leave it looking like an ambulance and only thing they’re not doing is running the lights Right. So let me ask you the the whole audience here all you zoom people How about Matt’s off-road recovery? I haven’t seen a Matt’s off-road recovery in a while I kind of lost interest Whenever it appeared to me and correct me if I’m wrong Well, he stopped using the the XJ for a lot of this stuff He built that new vehicle and I just thought it was so cool that he was doing all this stuff Commercially towing people out of stuck spots in Utah with an XJ. I thought that was just so cool Yeah, no, I still pay attention to him a little bit and that’s a good guy and I know they still use the issue But they did build the purpose built vehicle

 

But Rory Irish to tow Mater, right? He’s he’s an amazing dude like

 

You know and I forgot to mention them earlier But you know a lot of people don’t realize they don’t they don’t charge for that either So if you’re out in the middle of Moab and you break down and you need to call Rory Irish tow Mater They don’t charge you they come out and they do it they film you But you know those tow bills are free Where if you call a normal place or the DNR call somebody you know or the BLM It can cost you tens of thousands of dollars to get towed out and they do it for free They come out they fix you they tow you out the whole nine yards No charge. So they’re really good dudes. Rory Irish is an amazing guy tow Mater And he lives right in Moab where Matt and them they’re out and what is it Sand Hollow? Oh Thank George, but but they’re st. George But they are they’re down to earth real dudes. They’re good people

 

You know, I would follow them above a light bright any day

 

Does anybody watch light bright yeah, we’ve mentioned them derogatory comments little Jabs, I mean, I don’t I don’t know if you guys want to poke light pride I understand but it’s a little getting a little jab in here and there Well, if you really want to poke late bright watch your only fans And I don’t mean to be so rude They just you know They snubbed they snub enough people where I snub back and I shouldn’t I should be I should be better than that So I’ll stop making derogatory

 

Hidden comments for now, I guess is what you’re saying is you’ll stop it for now Does anybody watch my I mean I remember seeing light bright on YouTube And while maybe watching a little bit of the thing but to me they were doing just a horrific damage to things that I was Thinking why would you do that? And obviously it’s they were doing it for views, but it’s like it’s just it was nonsensical to me It just there’s nothing wrong with it. If you like it. It’s just it’s just like the seeing somebody Crush an XJ. It bothers me. I don’t like it the clash cash for clunkers thing bothered me So I just I just stick my head in the sand and deny it ever happened

 

All right, so I’m gonna just going I’m just gonna run through this here real quick because we’re not gonna get a chance to go Through this one, but have you guys heard that Toyota has announced no more ice vehicles No more internal combustion engine vehicles. They’re only going to be producing hybrid electric

 

I

 

Just heard that the other day and I don’t know if it means that they’re going to that the the internal combustion engine Is this going to be charging? Running a generator and charging the batteries or if it’s going to be actually be able to like the four by e where you can Run off the internal combustion engine And I’ll just state for the record. I love electric vehicles. They’re not planning on doing EVs just EVs they’re gonna but everything everything is coming out is gonna be a Hybrid vehicle so the I mean the the Toyotas I guess well, I don’t even keep up with what the off-road Toyotas are Would it be so strange? I mean, I guess it’s not that strange Matt off roads with his four by e So it just it just seems like it’s going the way that isn’t great it’s the things getting more complex instead of having one system now you’ve got two systems and Something can happen to one or the other I mean, it’s fine if one gets you down the road So you can fix the other one, but I don’t know I just the complexity is getting a lot a lot more I think it’s either have a Ready to go out and buy themselves an XJ or TJ right now

 

I’m curious about they were supposed to be putting out like a cheap like no frills truck That’s right. I forgot about that So what’s it gonna do with that?

 

That’s really strange I believe that’s only overseas. Oh So like like always all the other countries get the cool stuff It’s so and the reason for most of that is is the government mandates So yeah, a lot of people don’t realize this and I just you know, see most here not long ago filming an ad You know the Biden Harris pushed through this EV mandate without Congress or anybody else and hidden in the thousand-page document there’s things that say that you know as of 20 and I’m just giving random numbers not the ones that are in the paperwork But it says, you know as of 2030, you’re no longer allowed to modify your personal vehicle Even if you own it outright, you’re not allowed to make use aftermarket components on your vehicle That’s all hidden in the documents of the EV mandate. But some of the other stuff that a lot of people don’t realize you know for a company a modern company today like Jeep or somebody else to Manufacture a vehicle they they’re not allowed to manufacture a vehicle without a backup camera anymore Like it’s a government mandate that says you have to have that so you can’t build a no frills vehicle Because the government is telling them they’re not allowed to sell a vehicle that doesn’t have all of these things in it And there’s a huge list of things You know, so they can’t do like a Mahindra, right? they can’t do a vehicle that’s plain and simple and get the cost down because the government says they have to have This shutoff switch in it and they have to have this antenna in it and they have to have this backup camera And they have to have this system Right the government forces us Yeah, the government flat-out forces the automate manufacturers to do these things which just keeps inflating the price of the vehicle because they’re forced to do it and You know as some people might love some government control some people might not like government control You know that the beautiful part is this is American we’re supposed to be free and we’re supposed to be able to do what we want but to Have the government force this it’s the same thing as the tire pressure right as simple as the tire pressure on your vehicle a Two-door Jeep doesn’t weigh enough to need 37 pounds of air in the tire, but the government tells Jeep and auto manufacturer that if you build an SUV it has to have 37 pounds of air in the tire so You know that Jeep might run better and be safer and be more planted on the road at 25 psi But because the government says they have to they have to otherwise they’re not allowed to sell them

 

So I think and This is not political in any way at all my comments here. My comments are Why do we have to have so much government? Overreach when we’re supposed to be a free country, you know, the cost of these vehicles could be thousands and thousands of dollars cheaper if they weren’t forced to put in all these nanny systems and

 

And I understand it’s making it, you know mildly safer some things are making it mildly safer But another thing that makes it safe is they build in all this crash protection Use it. You don’t have to have five different types of braking on a car. You don’t have to have An antenna on a car that allows the police officer to turn your car off I was gonna mention the kill switch that’s been mandated. Yeah, like literally it’s it’s a government mandated thing They have to be in all the cars. So you know like I Forget what year it started in the Jeep So I think it was 12 when it became mandatory in the jeeps to have that that kill switch, but

 

But yeah, it’s the government forces them to do all these things So they have to do it like the backup camera or any of the other systems when I built the YJL for

 

Quadratec we pulled two hundred and thirty eight pounds of electrical systems out of that vehicle so two hundred and thirty eight pounds of Wiring and computers and bobs and busils and pulled it out threw it in the garbage And we replaced it with a fourteen pound wiring harness for an all YJ

 

You know, so 230 pounds. That’s a lot of gas mileage. Hmm

 

You know Yep, it just it irks me – I especially don’t like the kill switch I mean, I understand the purpose of that for the high-speed pursuits But I mean how many percentage wise how many people are involved in high-speed pursuits? And and what can the government use it for that isn’t legal that they’ll just try to Work it out in court as the reason why they use it There’s still high-speed pursuits that happen all the time even against brand-new cars. I mean a couple years ago There was a hellcat that was doing Over 200 miles an hour in California the problem and it was a great video. The problem is You know, I mean it outran the helicopter because the helicopter Was that gumball rally that that actually they were talking about it in the gumball rally or the cannonball run where they were actually Outrunning the helicopter that was chasing them. It was so funny. I was in a movie Yeah, it was in the movie and then it was in reality. I thought it was hilarious. Yep, but the

 

The thing is is that car has the shutoff But none of the normal police cars have it Right nothing the normal police cars can’t activate that system because they’re not all equipped with it just all the passenger cars are so So which cars are actually equipped with it? Is it just the secret service? Is it just you know? FBI or CIA or whoever I mean It’s the hackers that have figured it out and they’ll randomly go out and that would be fun That’d be a fun Friday night. Just go out there and shut people’s cars off

 

Yeah, so it’s

 

You know that that raises the price of the automobiles by forcing companies to put all these things in and you know You also have to pay your engineering staff to integrate it into the vehicle and you know that costs you tens of thousands dollars which also raises the price so

 

To make a no frills vehicle is very difficult to do nowadays because there’s so many furloughs that are flat-out government mandated Yeah, it’s we didn’t know that it’s illegal They are not allowed to sell you a car unless it has a backup camera well And even right back before the mandates like stuff was getting so overly complicated like when I was in high school in 2001 2002 Ford Explorers had miles of wiring in a 20-feet long vehicle miles. Yeah

 

Just insane

 

Yeah And just like Roger said I don’t know if you guys heard it, but it makes the driver stupid Right, if you don’t have to well as we always say and when I say we I mean me I guess that’s the royal we The the zoom meeting continues on even after we get done with the the recording of the show And you can be part of that. All you have to do is just join our zoom meeting So we’d love to have you here. We’d love for it to have you here as part of the show Just go to Jeep talk show comm slash contact to see how to join. It’s every Tuesday 7 30 p.m The the show recording starts about 8 p.m. Central time and goes on for about an hour We did about an hour and seven minutes so far tonight And if you missed the show the recording on Tuesday, you can listen or watch it on Wednesday So we record on Tuesday. We publish on Wednesday. Did I say right? Record on Tuesday publish on Wednesday and yes, you can watch it on YouTube and I think you’ll enjoy that It’s it’s nice seeing the people who who speak it’s not seeing what’s going on in the background At some of these places Greg’s place unofficial use only his shop is always very interesting He’s got something going on in the background almost all the time. Sometimes he’s working on things That you may see in SEMA we when Greg first started joining our zoom meetings He was working on the the JTE that he built for a quadratic and it was a lot of fun If not a bit scary seeing a brand new four by e be cut in half So he could make a two-door gladiator. That was a hybrid electric It’s interesting Greg made that hybrid hybrid electric gladiator a couple of years ago and now Jeep is coming out with one. I was at 2025. I think they’re coming out with one. So yeah, it’s It’s interesting how one man conduct do this and then it becomes a reality from other manufacturer

 

All right, so that brings us to the end of another exhilarating Jeep talk show I hope you were exhilarated I certainly am the I want to express my deepest gratitude to our incredible panel of Jeep enthusiasts for sharing their valuable insights experiences and expertise with us today I Also want to extend a heartfelt. Thank you to our listeners who joined us on this adventure whether you were on YouTube live Watching us or you joined us in our zoom meeting. Thank you very much for being there and Hopefully you you enjoyed it and you’ll come back as somebody asked in the the the YouTube chat Do we do this every Tuesday? We absolutely do so every week. We have a zoom meeting a roundtable where we have questions that we will ask you to see what you think about the questions that we ask and like I mentioned earlier you can always submit your own questions and Contact us and do a bunch of things just go over to Jeep talk show comm slash contact to find out how there’s a little Hyperlinks and stuff that you can click over there to send emails Send us fill out a form with questions that you think we ought to have on the show so on and so forth So until next time keep those Jeep running strong hit those trails with confidence and remember. It’s not just a vehicle It’s a way of life. It really really is it’s not just a tagline. It really is a way of life This has been Tony hosting the Jeep talk show roundtable episode, and we’ll catch you on the next ride broadcasting since 2010

 

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